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R-12 or 134a for 1987 911 Project

mthomas58 on Thu January 24, 2008 11:24 PM User is offline

Year: 1987
Make: Porsche
Model: 911
Engine Size: 3.2
Refrigerant Type: R-12
Country of Origin: United States

Ocassional lurker on this forum, first post.

Planning overhaul/upgrade to stock A/C on 1987 Porsche 911 to survive hot humid Atlanta Summers.

I'm still waffling on staying with R-12 or switching to 134a and would be interested to hear the experts opinions here. My proposed 4 condenser system was "engineered" to run 134a .....but how much better would my system perform if I stay with R-12?

Project details (parts on order):

1. Complete barrier hose set
2. Duel Kuehl "Griffiths" rear fender condensers with fans
3. OEM tube & fin Rear deck condenser replaced w/new last summer w/ 3 puller cooling fans added
4. New Kuehl dryer (just not sold on the ProCooler)
5. New serpentine evaporator
6. New serpentine front condenser
7. Reman Nippondenso 10P15C Compressor
8. Flush rear deck condenser only - all other system components will be new


Planning on doing the install myself and having the local Porsche dealer do the evac and recharge (great tech who specializes in older air cooled cars - he suggests staying with R-12 due to the small size of the 911 evaporator).

Thanks!
Mark

TRB on Fri January 25, 2008 10:13 AM User is offlineView users profile

R12!

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mthomas58 on Sat January 26, 2008 8:05 AM User is offline

Conversion to 134a requires the installation of a hi/low cutoff switch (got one comming with my new parts). Do I add the switch if I stay with R-12?

Thanks!
Mark

Dougflas on Sat January 26, 2008 2:26 PM User is offline

You do not need the high pressure cut out switch if staying with R12.


Some (many) people feel the same way with R134 because I rarely ever see them on most conversions.

TRB on Sat January 26, 2008 3:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

A cut out switch is not needed for R12. But it sure is nice to have one if you want a chance of saving a compressor if the system decides it wants to have a leak. R12 is widely available and since these vehicles have poor air flow. I personally would stay R12.

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mthomas58 on Sun February 10, 2008 8:21 AM User is offline

Can I flush the rear deck lid condenser without removing it from the car? Was thinking about doing so using a pressurized garden sprayer to run some mineral spirits through it then blow it out with pressurized air.

Thanks!

Mark

TRB on Sun February 10, 2008 3:03 PM User is offlineView users profile

When flushing the goal is to remove debris, oil along with all of your flushing agent. Component being mounted or not is not an issue. Just remember if you leave flushing agent behind in a component. You will end up harming your replacement compressor as the oil will be damaged by the flushing agent.

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mthomas58 on Wed March 05, 2008 10:00 AM User is offline

Tim, any personal experience with the ProCooler sold by RennAire?

Thanks!

TRB on Wed March 05, 2008 10:28 AM User is offlineView users profile

no I sure haven't.

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mthomas58 on Fri March 21, 2008 11:11 AM User is offline

Quote
Originally posted by: TRB
When flushing the goal is to remove debris, oil along with all of your flushing agent. Component being mounted or not is not an issue. Just remember if you leave flushing agent behind in a component. You will end up harming your replacement compressor as the oil will be damaged by the flushing agent.

Tried flushing the rear deck condenser using a pressurized garden sprayer but could not get enough pressure or a good enough seal to force a sream of fluid through the condenser. So I made one of these:



DIY Flush Gun

http://www.autoacforum.com/forumimages/DSC045051206194820.jpg

Edited: Mon March 24, 2008 at 12:49 PM by mthomas58

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