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Topic Title: Nippondenso 10PA17C Information/Help Needed
Created On Tue December 02, 2008 11:10 PM
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scusack71
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Year: 1998
Make: Dodge
Model: Intrepid SE
Engine Size: 3.2L
Refrigerant Type: R134a
Country of Origin: United States

Hello,

I'm trying to find information on the Nippondenso 10PA17C... particularly for my 1998 Dodge Intrepid SE. I am interested in finding maybe an illustrated parts breakdown for part identification and rebuild purposes (seals, o-rings, etc).

From all the research I could find, it is very common on many different vehicles for many years. I did find an illustrated parts breakdown for a Nippondenso online, but the title says it is for:

NIPPONDENSO 10PA15C / E / 10PA17A / C / K / VC / 10PA20C EXPLODED VIEW

Now are all of these various models (10PA15X, 10PA17X and 10PA20C) all the same internally? The reason I ask is because the drawing shows it as a 5-cylinder, whereas my Service Manual says that my compressor is a Nippondenso 10PA17C 10-cylinder (I haven't torn into it yet).

So, I'm sort of confused and can't seem to find anything specific for "MY" compressor (Intrepid)... but any help would be greatly appreciated. I just don't want to find a place that claims to have a seal kit for that compressor, when in fact it is a different compressor altogether since my info says it's a 5-cyl and mine is a 10-cyl. Just trying to save some time. Thank you in advance!

Edited: Wed December 03, 2008 at 1:14 PM by scusack71

 
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The 10PA series compressors are very similar internally. The 15, 17 and 20 designate displacement. I can't say that they are identical inside, but basically the same design. The difference that you are seeing in 5 or 10 cylinder is probably how you are looking at it. The pistons in those compressors are double ended, meaning they compress both directions and are moved by a swash plate. You see 5 pistons in your diagram, but there actually are 10 cylinders if you count the front and the rear. Hope I'm making myself clear. As far as gaskets and o-rings, we stock them and I'm sure the host of this site can help you out with them as well. Keep in mind, there are alot of variables involved when you rebuild a compressor....shaft wear, cylinder wear, sticky valve plates, etc. Sometimes it's more cost effective to buy a compressor. New ones of that type are pretty reasonable.

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Thank you Travis. I was misunderstanding the concept but totally makes sense now. I really appreciate the guidance. I'll take a look at it and if any question, I may replace it. Are the kits complete or separated (shaft kit vs seal/gasket kit)? ...and what company do you represent?

Edited: Wed December 03, 2008 at 8:28 PM by scusack71

 
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Check out 1998 Intrepid 3.2 and you will see that a reman is a lot cheaper than fooling with your old one, especially if you've never attempted to rebuild one. Special tools are needed for the shaft seal alone. You can also e-mail the guys at Ackits.com, the host of this site for the parts you need should you attempt the rebuild, and also ask if they have : have "NEW" off shore compressors for that car..Hope this helps.. BTW the insides of the 15, 17 and 20 are different and will not interchange, and there are differences in case design, even among the 10pa17c..Short nose, long nose.. Hope this helps..

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New Compressor is not listed at this time, but the new compressor with clutch is item # 20-11499. As stated many times Chick, we have so much available that is not yet listed! Thanks for keeping us in mind when answering the questions on the forum.

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Tim, I just want to mention that the offshore 10pa17c used on my daughters 97 3.3 caravan works flawlessly, and still is. I guess when you get the right off shore company, it is worth the price to have new...

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Glad I could help out on that compressor. You would be surprised at how much is off shore these days. Same item may be placed in a fancy box and called a premium product. Again thanks for supporting the forum.

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Item has been added to the wed site as a search-able item. Have not yet updated all the application listings.

20-11499 New Compressor with Clutch.

O-ring Kit.
21-24649

Shaft Seal Kit
21-34629

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scusack71, shaft seals and gasket/oring kits are usually sold seperately. The rest of the internal components such as thrust bearings, valve plates, pistons, etc can be hard to purchase. Sometimes rebuilders will sell those types of things, but most a/c parts suppliers do not carry them. You could check with Ackits.com if you want to pursue those type of parts. As far as who I represent, it would be disrespectful for me to advertise against the host of this forum. You should use them. If there are things they can't supply for you, drop me an e-mail.


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Thanks everyone.

I was wondering if anyone knows if it's required to use special tools for removing/installing the lip seal and shaft on these 10PA17's? I found on Network Tool Warehouse a few tools labeled as: Nippondenso 10PA17 Shaft Remover, Nippondenso 10PA17 seal installer and Nippondenso 10PA17 seal remover. Or can I just construct something at my employers fab shop that will work equivelent?

I've made a project out of this since it's winter time, want some experience and my felt seal is a little moist and assume the seal needs replaced. I haven't re-sealed a compressor before, but would like to have the experience to check the inside of it since I don't have any history of it (I'm rebuilding a yard engine and all components (starter, alt, p/s pump, and would like to do a/c compressor). I know the a/c system and compressor is a whole different can of worms, but would still like a shot at checking it out. I work with mechanical components in my field and I'm fairly particular with disassembly, cleaning, inspection and assembly of system components. So, since I haven't done one yet, I'll probably question anything that doesn't look correct. If I do have question after getting inside, I may just do a replacement.

So, if all does look good inside of this compressor am I safe with just purchasing a shaft seal kit, gasket/o-ring kit and some NYLOG sealant?

Oh, one more question: This doesn't have anything to do with my compressor in particular, but I did purchase an A/C System O-Ring Kit for my particular vehicle. The kit seems to have several green and maybe some black o-ring assortment, it has a compressor gasket that I do recognize and some spring type rings about the size that your pinkie finger can fit it (they are similar to the small springs you would find on a typical valve stem seal.. but bigger). I haven't disassembled the a/c system in the car yet, but it seems like there are more o-rings than what I am familiar with on an a/c system... esp. the ring shaped springs. I don't have a illustrated parts list to verify that I have a place for all these o-rings, but if any of you have performed a full system build and are familiar with what I'm getting at, I'd greatly appreciate any more feedback.

Thanks again guys for all your knowledge and guidance.... great forum!!

Regards,
Scott


Edited: Sat December 06, 2008 at 12:25 AM by scusack71

 
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