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MrBillPro on Thu October 14, 2004 10:06 AM User is offlineView users profile

GUN REFRESHER COURSE

(Answers to the TEST.....shhhhhhhhhh)



1. An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Glock: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it is about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you do not know your rights, you do not have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The second Amendment is in place, in case they ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns have only two enemies: rust and liberals.

15. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

16. You do not shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control--it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control

them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, do not make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "...A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."




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bohica2xo on Thu October 14, 2004 12:18 PM User is offline

Mr Bill:

The answer to #5 is "no" if you are located in Australia.

Since banning and confiscating guns there, they have had several murders comitted with swords. They are now working on banning and confiscating swords!

It is actually pretty comical - take the same rhetoric applied to guns here and swap the word "Swords" into the sentence. "There is no reason for anyone to be walking around with a sword" "Easily concealable swords should not be in the hands of the public..."

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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
~ Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, M. K. Gandhi, page 446.

MikeH on Thu October 14, 2004 2:32 PM User is offline

Also outlawed in England as well as any other defensive weapon - baseball bats/tire irons/weed eaters/hockey sticks/hair curler/etc.

TXAB on Thu October 14, 2004 3:24 PM User is offline

"The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's good-by to the Bill of Rights."
-- H.L. Mencken

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DNT on Thu October 14, 2004 5:28 PM User is offlineView users profile

Anyone whom would give up a freedom for the sake of safety, deserves neither freedom nor safety and will receive neither in the long run.

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Anyone who gives up freedom for the sake of safety, deserves neither freedom nor safety!

NickD on Thu October 14, 2004 10:54 PM User is offline

Ha, tell that to the airlines.

Walt on Thu October 14, 2004 11:50 PM User is offline

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Originally posted by: NickD
Ha, tell that to the airlines.

On the airlines, you have neither freedom nor safety. You do not have the freedom to have even nail clippers, but you are not safe from passengers who are wearing belts or other strangulation devices. Neither are you safe from concealed strangulation devices. Neither are you safe from a bottle of pale yellow liquid claimed to be nitroglycerine. And on and on...


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NickD on Fri October 15, 2004 7:36 AM User is offline

Especially when they delay two 110 pound light haired green eyed women for three hours with a complete strip search and let a raunchy looking Arab walk through because that is profiling.

Ha, I love Wisconsin, can't buy a can of R-134a from our Wal-Mart, but what a selection of guns and ammunition our store carries.

A terrorist better think twice about coming here, he will be fired back upon if he starts anything and by a lot of people. In this sense, owning firearms is freedom and if they take that away, I am leaving, that will be the straw that breaks the camels back.

meaux on Fri October 15, 2004 9:36 AM User is offlineView users profile

I think Archie Bunker was right when he was asked how to stop Hijackings.

"I'll tell you how to stop the hijackins', give every passenger a gun when they board the plane, and collect the guns when they get off. Thats how you stop hijackins'."

Maybe Archie had a point.

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jamyers on Fri October 15, 2004 11:35 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: meaux
I think Archie Bunker was right when he was asked how to stop Hijackings.

"I'll tell you how to stop the hijackins', give every passenger a gun when they board the plane, and collect the guns when they get off. Thats how you stop hijackins'.".....

Heck, why collect the guns when they get off? You want to reduce crime, that'd do it. Cheaper than all of the mickey-mouse "security measures" that are being imposed...

Karl Hofmann on Fri October 15, 2004 12:39 PM User is offlineView users profile

Also outlawed in England as well as any other defensive weapon - baseball bats/tire irons/weed eaters/hockey sticks/hair curler/etc.


LOL Yes but shootings still make the news over here, I'll settle for a fat lip and a good kicking

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iceman2555 on Fri October 15, 2004 3:02 PM User is offlineView users profile

As Class III collector....keep away from my 'toys'...really surprised that Kerry said he felt the 2nd amendment was good...wonder how long that will last after Jan. (if he gets in.....gawd I sincerely hope not.........a traitor to his country..now in charge of the most powerful military in the world.......!!!
The 'Assault Weapons Ban' was a farce from the very beginning....glad to see it go the way of the nickle coke.
Laws are only effective for those who obey the laws......and since the required tax on Class III only one crime has been commited with one of these weapons...and it was stolen...and used by a cop......go figure......


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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

meaux on Fri October 15, 2004 3:44 PM User is offlineView users profile

Just a thought......

If Michael Moore is the present day John Kerry of the 60's, then Michaael Moore may be running for President in 20 years...........yes, a very bad thought..........

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iceman2555 on Fri October 15, 2004 6:02 PM User is offlineView users profile

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If Michael Moore is the present day John Kerry of the 60's, then Michael Moore may be running for President in 20 years
The greatest difference is that MM just tells lies...abet for a profit....and Kerry told lies and not just for the profit...but to denounce the country of his birth.....turned his back on fellow members of the armed forces...aided an enemy...seems like this is called treason....all for his personal glory....and of course..to begin his foundation for 'public service'...thats a joke......there exist a great amount of discord inside..that what would and could happen to this country if this coward, traitorous, lying, self serving person is elected. Almost makes one sick...that this could become a reality.

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

bohica2xo on Fri October 15, 2004 6:07 PM User is offline

Iceman:

I held a class 10 FFL for many years.

You might get a chuckle out of

THIS

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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
~ Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, M. K. Gandhi, page 446.

Edited: Fri October 15, 2004 at 6:10 PM by bohica2xo

marvin-miller on Sat October 16, 2004 2:58 PM User is offline

Too Cool :-)

I used to do a lot of shooting - I had a nice Remington 700 30-06 that I used to hand load. I got that puppy really accurate, to the point where I could often hit a bottle cap at a true 100 yards. I also used to have a beautiful AK47 but had to get rid of it when the gun laws up here came out. My buddy had a heavy barrel M16 and that was a really neat rifle. The difference in quality between the M16 and the AK was remarkable but I really liked the simplicity of the AK. There was real beauty in such a simple weapon - plus it had the metal folding stock so it was the ultimate disco machine :-)

I always wanted a Barett Light Fifty. I read some articles on it and because I was interested, and getting excellent accuracy (from loading for the 30-06), I wanted to expand my horizons with some 1 mile shooting. Try as I might the Barett Light 50 was also considered an outlawed weapon up here. That really bothered me as we do have some pretty unpopulated areas in the bush if you go far enough out there. It was my understanding that they were used in the first gulf war as Scud-Busters. I heard that soldiers equipped with them used to climb up dunes and do some one mile plus sniping into the sides of Iraqi scud missiles. I guess they used some type of incendiary round. Either way, I'm still a bit choked that I can't get one up here without serious consequences.

About the best I can do these days is a heavy barrel 30 cal bolt action sniper rifle such as the McMillan :-(

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Best & Thanks;
Marvin

NickD on Tue October 19, 2004 8:01 AM User is offline

So what do you Canadians use for deer hunting? A fly swatter? Or are those illegal too? I always preferred the finely machined and accuracy of what may be termed a sniper rifle over some of these meat choppers. But maybe that is because I prefer eating a steak over hamburger.

Knew a big 300 pound guy that liked shooting little birds with a 12 gauge, asked him what is he going to do with his kill, smear the guts of that poor little thing on a board and hang it up in his den? Guess I am not the Rambo type walking into a crowd of bad guys with a couple of AK-47's under both arms, making lots of hamburger and never getting hit myself, ha, that only happens in the movies.

marvin-miller on Tue October 19, 2004 11:35 AM User is offline

Hi Nick;

Up here you can still have rifles and even hand guns but it changed around with the new law. Every gun has to be registered and then we are subject to have our homes inspected - no warrants or anything you have to be there and open up your home for a search!

For a hand gun it used to work like this. You had to be a memeber of a gun club and then you had to get a permit to purchase the gun. When the gun arrived you had to go to the police station and get a permit to pick it up and bring it home. Then you had to get a permit that allowed you to bring it back and forth to the gun club which is the only place you are allowed to shoot it. Those are the old laws - they probably changed when the new ones came out.

Rifle laws changed too. It got to the point where it was too much of a risk to go into the woods with my rifle because of the requirements. I think I needed a permit for that too. Also, to go to the rifle range with my rifle I needed a new permit. So I got rid of all the stuff I had. The new gun laws were the first time in my life that the government seriously affected me in a negative way. It cost over a billion dollars to implement the law and it's not done yet. I gave up as I'd rather not have the cops show up to search the house for a surprise inspection.

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Best & Thanks;
Marvin

TXAB on Tue October 19, 2004 2:31 PM User is offline

Marvin,

After reading your post there is no reason for me to move or even visit Canada. The Govt. would take my collection away......

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MikeH on Tue October 19, 2004 3:19 PM User is offline

My brother, a Canuck, has a 100 acre place about 2 hours north of Toronto. He had to register his rifles and take a test. He had to agree to keep them locked up when not in use, but, other than that nothing. He only has to notify if he sells or buys another firearm. I think if you are a city dweller the rules are more strict.

Person on person crime in Canada has become progressively worse since the liberal govt decided to limit/ban firearm ownership. I couldn't live there either.

meaux on Tue October 19, 2004 3:20 PM User is offlineView users profile

Sounds to me like the "state" is makin alot of money with gun owners in Canada. (ripoff)

I have 17 guns in my house, and nobody knows they are here. No "fees" or registrations.

TXAB, I won't be going to Canada either.

I heard from a friend that guns are "outlawed" in Mexico, he couldn't bring his into the country to go hunting...and only the crooked federalies, well connected, and outlaws have them...I won't ever be going to Mexico either.

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TRB on Tue October 19, 2004 3:53 PM User is offlineView users profile

Couple years back a "grandpa" crossed the border into Mexico and a (1) 22 bullet was found in his trunk. He had been out shooting the week before and one round fell out of the box. Anyway Mexico has a law concerning importing ammunition into their country. The "grandpa" was arrested and sentenced to 2 years in jail. If I remember correctly he spent 6 months behind Mexican bars before his family could get him out.

The Mexican "business" men I have dealt with were all corrupt. When we found out of their business practices we stopped doing business with them!

So beware of whom you do business with in Mexico and don't cross the border with ammunition!

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NickD on Tue October 19, 2004 5:09 PM User is offline

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I have 17 guns in my house, and nobody knows they are here. No "fees" or registrations.

LOL, I guess we all know that now.

So Marvin, what did you do with your firearms? Sell them? Or is your government collecting them, and if so, are they just taking them or offering you a fair price for them?

It's been quite awhile since I have purchased a firearm, but was with my sons when they did, takes about 30-45 minutes for an FBI clearance for a rifle, but we have a 48 hour cool down period before purchasing a hand gun in addition to the FBI check.

I was in Illinois at the time of JFK killed, and Illinois passed a gun registration law shortly after, don't recall the name of the sectary of state, he was single and when he died, they found millions of dollars in his home. They reported he didn't know what to do with the money he collected for gun registration. That sure killed the mail ordering of any kind of firearms, and also started our decline of freedom. Very few people complained about taxes back then, even my property taxes was only a fraction of one monthly house payment and we seemed to have better schools back then than we have today. And yes, we had welfare back then and social security and one hell of a cold war to pay for. But we had a fair and balance trade policy.

marvin-miller on Tue October 19, 2004 6:14 PM User is offline

Nick;

I sold them. At the time it seemed easier then keeping them as none were registered. The two automatic hand guns were stripped down and chucked in the ocean as they were new unregistered guns and that's a really interesting no-no up here......The AK disappeared because even at that time it was not cool to have :-) What was interesting was that I put them in the Buy, Sell and Trade (a large free classified ads rag) and the very morning the new issue came out I got a call from someone 100 miles away who bought them site unseen. I think what happened is that tons of people bought up and hoarded all the guns pre-regulation. When the guy phoned I could hear a printing press in the background so he may even have worked there and been the first to see the ad.

In order to buy a rifle you have to take a firearms safety course to get the ticket. Handguns are another matter and require another ticket plus gun club membership, permits to carry to and from and other issues. It's very restrictive. In the normal days I put the rifle in my truck and went up in the bush to go shooting. You could it in about half an hour if you wanted. The last time I was at the rifle range (before the laws came into affect) they mentioned I could not shoot my rifle there as I didn't have a separate ticket for that. I then went into the bush but they had put a gate up with a gard that charged 5 or 10 dollars to get in. After that I gave up.

It felt like I was at risk to have a rifle in my truck. I mean I was getting really paranoid that I was going to get busted for going shooting. The main issue for most folks was that the police now had the right to come into your house without a warrant to examine your guns - at any time although they are supposed to call first. The province of Alberta told the federal government that they would not enforce the gun law at all. In fact all provinces (I think) went on record that they were not in favor of the legislation. The local police station in my town actually went to the press and said it was a crappy legislation. I think it was originally supposed to cost 50 million but so far is at over 1 billion dollars for a system that does not even work.

Something like this would never fly in the US - can you imagine giving people the right to come into your home, without a warrant, to check your guns? Not likely. Like I said though, the sad part is that the government really did take something away from me. And for me it wasn't even being subject to searches or anything - it was that I could not readily transport my rifle into the bush on a whim like I used to. They've made it so hard that I gave up and over time I've come to realize that it is the only time the government has taken something away from me that I enjoyed. The one billion dollars for a country as sparesly populated as Canada is just normal for our largely incompetent government.

The guy who implemented the 1 billion + plan was shufffled to another high level post in the government - that lack of accountability bothers me more then anything else. Sometimes I think they implemented gun control so that we could not shoot them becaus they are so dumb.

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Best & Thanks;
Marvin

NickD on Tue October 19, 2004 9:05 PM User is offline

Congratulations Marvin, you now live in a police state. Instead of looking at your police for protection, you now fear them. Course its the same here with traffic cops and has been that way for a long time.

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