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MikeH on Sat November 20, 2004 9:06 AM User is offline

Maybe all of the self-indulgent, marine hating low types in the world should have themselves and their loved ones put into these kind of situations. Maybe then they might realize what terrorists are all about. My oldest daughter's fiance is in Iraq and in the thick of the fighting. She prays daily that he will return home safely.

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From FoxNews Friday, Nov. 19, 2004 11:07 a.m. EST
Letter From a Fallujah Marine
Once again the blogger world has stepped up to the plate to do job the mainstream media are supposed to do - but seldom bother to do anymore.
While U.S. and Arab media went-pedal-to-the-metal with the NBC video of a Marine in Fallujah committing the "atrocity" of defending himself and his platoon against a wounded terrorist, PowerlineBlog.com has helped put the incident in perspective by publishing a letter from a brother Marine who describes just what our guys are up against.
The moving account is beginning to make the rounds on talk radio, with WABC host Mark Levin sharing it with his audience Thursday night.
We thought it was worth doing the same:
Letter From a Fallujah Marine:
This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does. This is one most don't hear:
A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!"
He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles.
The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.
The Marines' remains are gathered by teary-eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag.
But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.
This is the story everyone hears:
A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded.
Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.
The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in a puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!"
The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead. Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for committing a war crime. Unlawful killing.
And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, I too would have done the same.
For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.
For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of your recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.
I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other.

Tom Greenleaf on Sat November 20, 2004 10:00 AM User is offline

My most hearfelt gratitude for your work. The prayers that are with you can't be counted.

Stay safe and well, come home soon. The wave of support for you is incredible.

Thanks, Tom Greenleaf (US)

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Walt on Sat November 20, 2004 5:52 PM User is offline

Let's send the cameramen in first, from now on.

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meaux on Sat November 20, 2004 10:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

Walt says, " Let's send the cameramen in first, from now on. "

Yes Walt, you're on to something.......I guess we should have a few lawyers follow the cameraman......knowing that lawyers outnumber camera guys....:-)

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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 21, 2004 5:12 AM User is offlineView users profile

The Soldier involved has all of my sympathy and support, he is the man on the ground, we are not, it is easy for those who scoff at his efforts to do his job to the best of his abillity AND to ensure that he and his team all return home after a job well done. This guy is a young man and has been sent to make life and death decisions, under very difficult conditions...in a split second, ha! most judges get weeks to make a decision. Similarly the cameraman is doing his job, if you dont want to see these things on your TV dont send the troops.

I do believe that this happening should be investigated by the Army for the Army to ensure that control and dicipline is maintained over the troops, and that they do not become a rabble, but the troops should not be in fear of shooting anyone that they see as being in their experience a danger to them or their objective.

Please keep the bogus letters from the troops, those that fabricate such letters do their troops a great diservice, you shouldn't need such letters to get you to support your armed services.

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NickD on Sun November 21, 2004 7:25 AM User is offline

First off, I do not envy the stress you and your daughter are going through right now, and believe me, its a lot worse on you than it his on him being there. You are totally helpless and can only sit home and wait and pray. I have been in both positions.

The rules of engagement are not fixed and vary for each different scenario and basically are established by the field commanders under guidelines of the superiors or leaders, or even in some cases, established by the UN. A kid not only has to be a soldier, but an attorney as well, with this statement"

"For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of your recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive. " Not exactly sure whom this young person is trying to convince, perhaps more of a public relations plea that sitting in a court martial, the defendant is not even permitted to ask neither the prosecuting attorney nor the judges what they would do in his situation. Rather the act is the only factor permitted in court and the agreement that young person has with his commanding officer. And for the most part, will be judged by others that have never been in battle.

Besides all the other BS and CS in the military, a guy has to learn how to cover his six and can demand written orders before the engagement that clearly define how he is to react, if the orders clearly state he is not to shoot a wounded enemy and does regardless of the reason, that kid got himself suckered into a bad deal. If he does get shot or killed in the process and has those orders, his commanding officer can be hung for issuing them. If you think our civil laws are bad, they are quite fair compared to what goes on in the military. Another reason why the military likes working with young kids and in particular naive young kids.

We put these kids in a hell of a position, and believe me, if you were there you will wonder who your greatest enemy is, the real enemy or your own side. Rather than go to town and lay one on, it is far better for these kids to stay in the barracks and memorize the Uniform Code of Military Justice if they want to survive. This letter is clearly after the fact and it should have been established before the fact so this incident should have never happened. Would any of us older and wiser people let ourselves get into a situation where we know if we follow the rules it means certain death for us?

meaux on Sun November 21, 2004 8:55 AM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, why do you "assume" a certain letter is "bogus"? Because it didn't come from an anti-war leftist that hates the USA, you don't agree with it? Why are you so certain you're correct about whats going on many miles away?

There shouldn't be ANY cameramen following the troops around, WAR is to KILL and DESTROY, PERIOD.

But, if we must have cameramen following our own troops around, we should also show the other side in action. Why can't we see the beheadings of the innocent having their heads sawed off with the blood gushing out till the heart stops, the execution of Margaret Hassan on National TV, and many others? How about showing in detail the 400,000 plus dead men women and children handcuffed with bullets in their heads, buried with bulldozers like trash? Why can't we see more of the people that were gassed? Why can't we have an account on TV of the 16yr.old girl that was gang raped, had her breasts cut off, delivered to her fathers door in a sack, she was only the daughter of someone that didn't agree with Saddam.

YES, LETS HAVE BOTH SIDES ON TV.

You know why we only see the anti-American junk on TV, because if we were given BOTH sides to look at, most Americans would be DEMANDING the BOMB be dropped to bring the Middle East to 20,000deg., and lets just start over.

It's also nice to hear you've been out working on peoples heating systems for free Karl. How did you get the government to buy you a custom truck?

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MikeH on Sun November 21, 2004 10:19 AM User is offline

I want to say one other thing about the "imbed" situation. I firmly believe that newsmen s/b Americans first and newsmen second. So very often they want to get out the news with little or no regard for the soldier that they are hurting. I also think that when the ops calls for engagement, newsmen should not be allowed to travel with any unit. They can not be trusted.

NickD on Sun November 21, 2004 10:58 AM User is offline

"sawed off with the blood gushing out till the heart stops", sliced off is more like it after experiencing severe electrical shocks that left very painful burns, a chemical accident that left my lungs burning with a panic of not being able to take the next breathe, and an auto accident that knocked me out and I didn't feel a thing until I recovered that is, I would much prefer having my head chopped off. Our electric chairs and gas chambers are very inhumane means of taking a life. Besides, if they did chop my head off, that would leave them one hell of a mess to clean up.

So what about dropping that bomb? Do we pull our troops first? And what about those handful of Iraqis that appreciate our presence, do we let them leave first or should we vaporized them as well. Well vaporizing is the easy way out, the ones further away from the center with the 99% 3rd degree burns really pay the price with a very slow agonizing painful death, that would teach them.

We good just blow our oil wells and refineries and get out of there refusing to buy more oil, and nasty Saddam has been our buddy both before and after the gulf war to keep Iran under control, somehow the Bushes have a different idea. Who should we send in first? Our leaders of course, its always our kids and civilians that get the blunt of this.

meaux on Sun November 21, 2004 11:11 AM User is offlineView users profile

You're right Nick. We should just leave, wall up the USA, not allow anyone in or out, and let the rest of the planet go to hell. I'm sure the rest of the world would just leave us alone.... :-) Maybe we can do something about the number of people that die in a months time in the city of Washington DC alone, which is more people that die in the same time period in the whole country of Iraq, which is a "WAR ZONE".

Just think of all the advertising space on those walls! :-)



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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 21, 2004 3:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

Meaux,

You're becoming rabid again, you are there to liberate and free the people of Iraq, just how does nuking them achieve this goal? Everyone told you that going to Iraq was a bad idea, but you just weren't going to listen, but what do we know? We're just commie pinko softies, but we do know one thing, Discresion is the better part of valour

News camera crews film what they see, good bad or indifferent, it is for those back at the studio to decide what should and should not be shown to the public. My buddies brother was a camera man in the first Gulf war for Sky News, he was sent with the instructions to show the war as it really was, so he filmed and sent back images of the destruction carnage and charred bodies of the action where allied forces hit the retreating Iraqi forces and almost wiped them out, (I think that it was called the "Turkey shoot") His superiors decided not to show these images, and they are still in the news archives, dont blame the camera man, dont blame the soldier, blame the shineyarse in the office.

With regard to the bogus letter Meaux, read it again and ask yourself if these are the words of a Marine writing home, or the politically constructed speech from a publicity office, please feel free to build a wall around yourself.

What gives you the idea that I work for free? YOU are the one that said I am a Commie/Liberal/whatever, but then again you cant understand a person who is not labeled (Pigeonholed) as a Communist, or a Liberal, or a Democrat or a Republican or whatever. Your thinking cannot extend beyond the confines of what you believe is true, and cannot understand those that can "Think outside the box", perhaps we scare you a little with new and radical ideas. A wheel doesn't have to be round, but it does seem to work best

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NickD on Sun November 21, 2004 4:22 PM User is offline

Our country still has a major drug problem that is a cause for many shootings, we can start building that wall between Arizona and Mexico and investigating the "authorities" that are letting some of these drugs pass through. Some people just don't care how they make a living.

Yet another wild ass guess as to why we were attacked, maybe some big fat American slob tourist went over there and insulted the Arabs, and knocking off the WTC was their response. Can't ever solve a problem until you find the cause and it seems like to me, we are using the shotgun effect.

Karl Hofmann on Sun November 21, 2004 4:32 PM User is offlineView users profile

I am sure that it is the overbearing Imperialistic attitude of the US government that they have the problem with, you see you just cant negotiate with such a large machine, so this frustration boils over in to the desperate acts that we have seen, It got your attention, unfortunately the US reacted without asking why?

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Tom Greenleaf on Sun November 21, 2004 5:35 PM User is offline

Lost in Emotion about this - no further text. Tom Greenleaf

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meaux on Sun November 21, 2004 5:54 PM User is offlineView users profile

I'm no more rabid than you Karl. :-) So, you don't, "WORK FOR FREE"? Thats funny, so now, YOU'RE A CAPITALIST? :-) You took the bait.....In Alabama we call that bieng a "mullet".......:-)

Well Nick, you'll have to go back to at least 1979 when most of this political terrorism started, but you know dang well it's all about the hatetred of Jews. So, should we allow the Jews to be exterminated? We sure didn't hesitate to invade Kosovo. Of course Mrs. "not so bright" was born there, and you don't think that had anything to do with it, do you?
And we're still there........"home for Christmas" is what Bubba said, but he didn't say which Christmas.....:-)

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TRB on Sun November 21, 2004 6:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

I see no need to nuke anyone except maybe Kofi and his killer thugs! Don't really want a wall between the Mexican and Arizona border but sure the hell want something done to stop the illegal's bringing their crime and drugs into our state. Don't give me the BS they only do this for the jobs Americans will not take. There are legal ways to fill those jobs if you are a American citizen or not!

Karl, you're being a hypocritical again telling us to look at other sides when you yourself will not! You have no way what so ever other then an opinion as to whom wrote that letter. Since you do not agree with it you claim it to be false! That's the problem with you points Karl they are only looked at in the single mind set which you preach not to have!!! You have no answers for the killing of the CARE worker or the Iraqi police officers. These killings are being done not by the US and its allies but buy foreign terrorists which even have claimed to be terrorists. What do you say to those 9 police officers families which were dragged into the street and executed by the terrorists? Those are the people we are fighting not the person selling tea in the corner shop!

As for the soldier, he was doing his job and should have been able to reload and finish his assignment!!!!!!! I have absolutely no problem with news crews being embedded. But the news organizations should show the true story not just the stuff that grabs the viewers attention. There has been a lot of good to go along with the bad in Iraq, its time the press shows some of the good things that have been done!

Even though you are completely wrong most of the time, hate America and view things in a single light, it's nice to know your okay Karl!

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meaux on Sun November 21, 2004 9:26 PM User is offlineView users profile

Oh, and by the way Karl, why don't you research the events that led up to the meaning of Thanksgiving.

You'll find that "socialism"didn't work then, because the people back then, tried it, and it was a miserable failure, as it has allways been.........:-)

Check out the history of Thanksgiving.......Then....Please tell us all about why people from all over the planet keep comming here willing to risk their lives after 200+ years, just to be here.........step in it again my friend..........:-)

PLEASE JUSTIFY YOUR SOCIALIST POSITION WITH FACTS. I'm only kidding, of course. :-)

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NickD on Sun November 21, 2004 10:27 PM User is offline

Least Foxnews knows about it.

"TODAY'S TOPIC: HATING AMERICA

Our Country Is Under Attack!
The weapons of choice are hateful words and images aimed at distorting American policy. Host John Gibson shines a bright light on the haters themselves in "Hating America." Tune in Sunday at 9pm / midnight ET.

The America Haters — Is bitterness against the U.S. getting worse? Read what John Gibson has to say in an exclusive commentary, plus read an excerpt from the "Big Story" host's book.

Take a sneak peek at this Sunday's special. John interviews a Canadian journalist who says elements of the U.S. government were "complicit" in 9/11.

We want to know what YOU think — How should we combat anti-American propaganda?"

E-mail us at speakout@foxnews.com and jump into the debate!

Check back to find out what FOX Fans are saying!

Karl Hofmann on Mon November 22, 2004 2:59 AM User is offlineView users profile

You see Meaux? There you go again having problems with your pigeon boxes.YOU told me that I was a Communist, because a comment that I made was in your opinion a commie view, but now YOU say I'm a Capitalist because I sell my professional services for money, do please try to make your mind up (Both cells) I fear the real world is getting too much for you.

I'm afraid that your logic has lost me again, who was trying to wipe out the Jews in 1979?

Tim,

I fear that your black and white view on the world is starting to fail you. you say that the rest of the world hates the US, No they dont, you say that I hate the US, NO I don't, I do disagree with US foreign policy, and I will be constant in that view untill it changes significantly, I really do like the US, but your foreign policy MUST change because it places the security of the entire world in jeopardy. You seem to think that we must hate you in order to try to point out your failings, well it just aint true, If by some fluke we both found ourselves at the same party, would it mean that I hated you if I was to inform you that you had a piece of cabbage stuck between your teeth?

Please enlighten me as to which issue I am not considering both sides to? since I have supported the unfotunate soldier who has been the cause of this topic...but I also defend the cameraman for recording what is happening, it is for his superiors to decide what the people see. Don't forget though, YOU sent both of them

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NickD on Mon November 22, 2004 7:15 AM User is offline

Here are a couple of more articles on the cause of 9-11.

http://www.davidduke.com/writings/10-03-01.shtml

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13434081_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-THE-BIG-LIE-name_page.html

Are these so-called "The Big Lie" articles just more lies? Other articles point out that Kerry is also a part of these big lies.

Here is what a coalition of our veterans have to say on this subject:

http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php

And an article favoring the war in Iraq:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1010-02.htm

I am not drawing any conclusions about these articles, but they all point to Israel with much mention of our Jewish controlled leadership.

If that ain't enough, among deer hunters, building a deer stand even on public grounds is considered a sacred act. Some character from Minneapolis comes over to Wisconsin yesterday and decides to steal a deer stand and kills five Wisconsites to keep it. Bet we have severe gun control after this incident.

TRB on Mon November 22, 2004 9:46 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: Karl Hofmann
Please enlighten me as to which issue I am not considering both sides to? since I have supported the unfotunate soldier who has been the cause of this topic...but I also defend the cameraman for recording what is happening, it is for his superiors to decide what the people see. Don't forget though, YOU sent both of them

Your view on giving the UN a pass shows no matter what facts come to light its always about the bad USA! You believe your press has the facts, which is far from the truth. I see your constant disapproval of the US but "never" of the terrorist! These terrorists have killed many Iraqi individuals as a way to gain a strong hold of a city! These countries you claim to have shown the facts (France & Germany) were taking millions of dollars of kick backs and/or were doing illegal activities with Iraq, yet that is okay with you! I just fail to see the open view on your part which you claim is our failure.

As for thinking you hate America, not liking a policy and standing against it is fine we me that is what our country is based on. But when you give others a pass and only strike at the USA for its policy shows a bias against the USA!


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TRB on Mon November 22, 2004 10:43 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: NickD
Least Foxnews knows about it.



"TODAY'S TOPIC: HATING AMERICA



Our Country Is Under Attack!

The weapons of choice are hateful words and images aimed at distorting American policy. Host John Gibson shines a bright light on the haters themselves in "Hating America." Tune in Sunday at 9pm / midnight ET.



The America Haters — Is bitterness against the U.S. getting worse? Read what John Gibson has to say in an exclusive commentary, plus read an excerpt from the "Big Story" host's book.



Take a sneak peek at this Sunday's special. John interviews a Canadian journalist who says elements of the U.S. government were "complicit" in 9/11.



We want to know what YOU think — How should we combat anti-American propaganda?"



E-mail us at speakout@foxnews.com and jump into the debate!



Check back to find out what FOX Fans are saying!

I watched that program last night and even the UK and Canada's press said there was a bias against the US in its reporting. One BBC reported was fired for bring this fact up! We all know the news media is only going to show what they want or in a light which they prefer. People pushing all these conspiracy theory's are just out to sell books and ad space.

Funny how everyone always wants to blame Israel or the Jews!


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meaux on Mon November 22, 2004 6:07 PM User is offlineView users profile


Karl asks, "I'm afraid that your logic has lost me again, who was trying to wipe out the Jews in 1979?"

My apologies Karl, I got the year wrong......In 1972, 5 Arab terrorists entered the Olympic Village in Munich Germany, and Slaughtered 11 unarmed Israeli athletes in cold blood, there are many examples since 1972. By the way Karl, I never used the words "wipe out". :-)

To answer your question Karl, of course the USA wants to kill all the Jews, :-) Why do you think more Jews live in the USA than in Isreal?

Who do you think wants to kill Jews, the Cubans? :-)

You're beyond funny Karl. You don't like capitalism, but the money ain't bad! Right? :-)

You must have me confused with someone who cares, because I really do not care if you're a capitalist, or a socialist. You do remind me of the FURRINERS that come here, bad mouth the USA, but they ain't leaving because the money is too good. :-) Nothing like talkin the talk, and walkin the walk.

I guess your signature says it all....................:-)

Did you check out the events that led up to Thanksgiving yet? :-)







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NickD on Mon November 22, 2004 11:48 PM User is offline

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Funny how everyone always wants to blame Israel or the Jews!

Would be nice if our leaders would put this conspiracy down once and for all with unquestionable proof.

TRB on Tue November 23, 2004 12:00 AM User is offlineView users profile

Heck Nick the government could not even determine what the definition of "is" was!

I would rather know what has gone on at gloom lake!

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