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Karl Hofmann on Sun January 15, 2006 2:54 PM User is offlineView users profile

You are either with us or against us, but if you are with us, we might still bomb you.

Doh! Pakistan is on our side, dummy

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meaux on Sun January 15, 2006 3:31 PM User is offlineView users profile

"If we kept sheltering foreign terrorists here... our future will not be good," said President Pervez Musharraf in speech broadcast on state television."

Sounds to me like President Pervez Musharraf is catching on...Now, if he can convince his people (and they better listen) that maybe harboring terrorists, to give em' up, then the bombings will stop...otherwise, their future will not be good for sure...He knows what happened to the Taliban, and he knows George W. Bush... :-) This ain't brain surgery...

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Chick on Sun January 15, 2006 3:58 PM User is offlineView users profile

"Reports citing unidentified Pakistani officials say the strike was launched on intelligence that Zawahiri had been invited to dinner in the village."
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Karl Hofmann on Sun January 15, 2006 4:14 PM User is offlineView users profile

Yes, but the point is that with all that intelegence, satelites, smart bombs and other gadgets that are available you still couldn't hit the smegger, stick to shooting fish in a barrel.

In that region of the world the Taliban and Al Q have more power than you guys and by launching a strike against a freindly nation AND missing the target, the US has not only failed in their objective, but has generated more cannon fodder for Al Q to strap bombs to and send off to a US manned checkpoint.

Pakistan is a Muslim nation and for the US to violate its borders can and will enrage more Muslims. I think that this could be called an Own Goal

The US has been chasing these guys round these mountains for years now, soon as you move out, then they come back

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Edited: Sun January 15, 2006 at 4:17 PM by Karl Hofmann

TRB on Sun January 15, 2006 4:31 PM User is offlineView users profile

Do you have any proof we did not hit what we wanted to hit? Again you get a little press and you run it up the poll as if the sky were falling. Next time your buddies blown up a bomb and kill 60 kids I'm sure you will say oh well do you have proof it were your buddies that blew them up.

Your buddies actions over the past few days.

1/15/06 Iraq Ulwiya 6 8 Five separate Jihad attacks and kidnappings leave at least six dead around the country.
1/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Islamists butcher two 20-year-old men in a gruesome attack.
1/15/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 14 At least three people are killed, including two civilians, when a suicide bomber rams a Canadian convoy.
1/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 4 Sunni gunmen assassinate a Shiite cleric. Elsewhere, a bomb kills two policemen.
1/14/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 The Taliban assassinate a political figure outside his home.
1/14/06 Afghanistan Khost 0 22 Religious fundamentalists bomb a sporting event and a music shop, injuring twenty-two.
1/14/06 Pakistan Sarband 1 2 al-Qaeda backed militants fire a rocket into a home, killing a man and injuring his two children.
1/13/06 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Islamic insurgents shoot down a U.S. Army reconnaissance helicopter, killing the two pilots.
1/13/06 Iraq Baqubah 3 5 Two policemen are killed by a car bomb. Another dead officer is found in Iskandariya, blindfolded and with hands tied behind his back.


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meaux on Sun January 15, 2006 5:16 PM User is offlineView users profile

Really, I'm surprised bombing inside Pakistan took this long, because rumor has it, OBL is in Pakistan. We don't know if we got the #2 or not just yet...Wouldn't it be a hoot to find we got OBL's #2, and OBL at the same time they were munchin' on those penguin fillets?



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Karl Hofmann on Sun January 15, 2006 6:39 PM User is offlineView users profile

Sigh,

OK then Tim, I'll play your little game.

Clearly the people who have carried out these crimes have been caught and have informed their captors that they were members of the Taliban or Al Q, otherwise how would you know that they were? Or is it just the imagination of some overzealous NeoCon Nazi who decided that all crime in distant lands is carried out by Al Q or the Taliban?.

I took one reported incident and did a brief Google search for further information, interestingly I found that the incident (Two 20 year olds in Thailand) was only reported in the Neo Con websites and there were no reports from Thai news sources, I wonder why that is? surly a far better way of striking at the evil west would be a few suicide bombers blowing themselves up in Patpong, Bangkok, plenty of fat rich western pigs in that part of town.

I also note that there is very little meat to these reports, and so I would regard them as factually incorrect at best.

Further, surly it is for the government of the country to act against such criminals, and is of no business of the US. The more the US sticks its nose where it does not belong, the more resentment and resistance there will be to the US, the harder it will be for you to beat the Islamics

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TRB on Sun January 15, 2006 7:43 PM User is offlineView users profile

I have never said they were part of any group other then they are terrorist's and your friends. My fight is against these acts in general even though you think it nothing. You complain there is so little evidence to support the murders listed yet you jump on any tiny bit of information against the US and claim it is fact. You have done that from day one is these discussions and to this day never apply the same thought process across the board. So I guess its just your hate for America that clouds your judgement on these issues.

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Edited: Sun January 15, 2006 at 7:43 PM by TRB

Chick on Sun January 15, 2006 8:16 PM User is offlineView users profile

"So I guess its just your hate for America that clouds your judgement on these issues. "
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Oh Karl, say it isn't so... Everyone loves America..


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meaux on Sun January 15, 2006 8:39 PM User is offlineView users profile

Geeze, while waiting on a "beer run", I thought I'd just make this observation...

Since British Soldiers are over there fighting and dying alongside the Americans and others, Karl seems to have no respect for his own countrymen that have died in this War...Karl, everytime you try and disgrace the Americans, you're doing the same to your own brave soldiers and Government...But, then again, maybe your alligence lies with Germany? Big Bad Germany, that got it's ass kicked everytime they tried to take over the world... :-)

Why was Merkel from Germany, in Washington last week, meeting with a Cowboy about the boogeyman in Iran? Is it because Germany dosen't have the balls to act on their own? OK, Ms. Merkel dosen't have balls... :-)

If I were Bush, I would have told her to quit wasting my time kissin up, and takin pictures, leave it to the men that will do something when the time comes, and get your gutless weak ass, out of my office, and tell that clown in France don't bother callin me for help.

But, thats just me...



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Karl Hofmann on Mon January 16, 2006 7:07 AM User is offlineView users profile

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"So I guess its just your hate for America that clouds your judgement on these issues. "

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Oh Karl, say it isn't so... Everyone loves America..





Tim, Chick, I have NEVER said that I hate America, The Americans that I have met have all been very good guys as I know that both of you are, the average American is a damned good guy, a little overenthusiastic perhaps, a litle misinformed definately, far too PC absolutely.

I am always amazed when on an American web site, that you guys will argue tirelessly over trivia and minutia, but a big and important event such as going to war on what even the biggest optimist could only call "Flakey evidence" and you guys all say "What a good idea lets go get 'em SOBs, the Prez is right" This I find is a little wierd, and I'm afraid that I dont understand your desire to get your asses shot off over an issue that could be fixed given time and diplomacy. Once you guys are in "War Mode" a red mist seems to decend upon you, only pro American info is true and all anti American info is lies, war mode also gives the US the god given right to do whatever you want, where ever you like and damn who you hurt in the process, the fact that the US may hurt its allies in the process just does not enter your equasion, and you wonder why more and more people who once were your allies and sympathised with your plight now turn their backs on you. It is not that I or anyone else wishes America Ill, on the contrary we wish you well, but we also wish that you guys would become team players and start using your heads rather than your brute force and ignorance.

I will admit though to poking fun at US failures, perhaps I am not being entirely fair, but since the US attitude is "we do what we want, where we want, when we want" I just cant resist pointing out the holes in this beligerant attitude.

As for British troops in the area, I am proud of the work that they do there, though I am sure that a great many of them see Iraq as another Nortern Ireland, they will be fighting a holding pattern untill there is the will for a diplomatic solution, I would take issue however with the Spineless wonder known as Tony Blair for supporting Bush, and if I had the chance to do so, I would argue with him face to both of his faces that we should not have become involved in the American folly. Shortly before the War, he held a debate with some of his critics. One of which was a woman who had lost her only son in 9/11, and she begged him live on TV not to seek revenge, but by this time Blair was too far in with Bush to back out...The Spineless weasle

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Edited: Mon January 16, 2006 at 7:08 AM by Karl Hofmann

meaux on Mon January 16, 2006 9:19 AM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, you remind me of the famous "Baghdad Bob". :-) Well, ole' Baghdad Bob was on Iraqi Radio in Baghdad proclaiming, "There are no Americans in Baghdad, there are no Americans in Baghdad"!!!, while at that very moment Coalition Forces were rolling down the street right outside his window...

The "solution" that you wanted to talk about, is happening before your very eyes...I guess it's tough seeing thru the thick cloud of Bozone that surrounds you... :-) We're allready talking about "Troop Reductions" and handing more and more of Iraq, to Iraqi forces... Not to worry Karl, that thick cloud of Bozone will protect you from it all... :-)

And now we have the "Axis of Weasels" (Germany, France, and EU etc.) banging on our door crying about the BIG PROBLEM in Iran...
Why don't they go call on the great UN? Let Kofi write 100 meaningless Resolutions... :-)
Why aren't they willing to sit down and "talk about their problem"? :-)
Why don't they seek out help from another nation? :-)
Why don't just take care if their new "Boogeyman" themselves? :-)
What shameless, spinelss jerks, and what nerve they have after verbally stabbing the USA and Bush in the back, to now ask for our help...

I say, let em' wallow in the pool of their own fears...Chickenshyt Weasels...You know damn well if the USA acts on their pleas, in less than a week, it will be all Bush's fault...They will quickly develop amnesia...and forget everything they said...Deja Moo all over again...same old bullcrap... :-)


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MrBillPro on Mon January 16, 2006 9:31 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: Chick
"Reports citing unidentified Pakistani officials say the strike was launched on intelligence that Zawahiri had been invited to dinner in the village."

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That will be the last time them pakistanies serve "penguin fillets" at a dinner.....


Would that be called revenge of the penguins?

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MrBillPro on Mon January 16, 2006 9:41 AM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, since you can't get these thugs to come in and sit at the table and talk to you so everyone can speak his peace as normal folks do, I have an open mind, how would you personally deal with these terrorists to let them know you don't like there ways of blowing up things all over the world, should we send them a letter pleading with them to stop? and if so do you have there address? what do you have in mind that will stop the bloodshed all over the world? Please let us know America if a fair Country and if you can come up with a silver bullet I am sure George would look into you idea.

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JJM on Mon January 16, 2006 12:46 PM User is offline

> Yes, but the point is that with all that intelegence, satelites, smart bombs and other gadgets that are available you still couldn't hit the smegger, stick to shooting fish in a barrel.
Yet us seemigly inept Americans -- largely peasants -- managed to defeat the professional and powerful British army 223 years ago. Some 158 years later, we had to save your sorry asses so you didn't end-up speaking German or Japanese.

Terrorism has already begun inside of YOUR own borders, and ya still don't get it. History is already repeating itself in Europe, as the Chamberlain policy of appeasement, this time toward Muslim aggression, is overwhelmingly embraced. The only part of history I hope doesn't repeat itself is the United States having save your sorry asses again; I hope we will be vehemently anti-war as Europe falls.

Joe

TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 2:57 PM User is offlineView users profile

When you have an enemy which uses the general population to hide within there is going to be civilian casualties. I don't see these terrorist wearing a uniform as other military's do so I guess they want civilians to take the hit for them. Again that's the brave people Karl likes to defend at every corner. Also the man they were going after is a known terrorist! Anyone around him is taking their chances of being killed by the comapny they keep. If I choose to hang out with a bunch of crack heads. I bet it would be pretty tough to explain to the cops I was just a innocent bystander! But I don't see the big fuss anyway Karl. Heck I don't know any of the people killed on a personal basis and you told us we should not care for anyone but the ones we know personally, right?

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MrBillPro on Mon January 16, 2006 4:17 PM User is offlineView users profile

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When you have an enemy which uses the general population to hide within there is going to be civilian casualties.


Yep and if I wanted to live and stay safe from bombs I would be telling the terrorist to get a long ways away form me or I would be turning them in, they do have a choice stay there and get bombed along with the terrorist or get out before the bombs, and if they know the terrorist are hanging out there and don't get away from them or turn them in well thats a personal problem.


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Karl Hofmann on Mon January 16, 2006 4:54 PM User is offlineView users profile

The only part of history I hope doesn't repeat itself is the United States having save your sorry asses again; I hope we will be vehemently anti-war as Europe falls.

LOL You lot were vehemently anti war. If it hadn't been for the Japanese giving you a good morning boot up the backside, you'd have been trading in Reich Marks or Yen. Incidentally Churchill had anticipated being overrun by the Germans long before the US got out of bed. He devised a plan of harrasing the enemy that was very similar to the resistance that you see in Iraq today, a plan to deter the general population from associating with the enemy and to keep the enemy on its toes.

Terrorism has been going on inside the borders of most countries for generations, it is just a fact of life, do you not have gangs roaming the streets of the US, could these gangs not be classed as a form of terrorism? Do they not aim to gain control by means of violence or threat of violence? or perhaps it is better to look at the middle east and forget about our own problems. Yep we have had terrorism ourselves here in the UK, those good old guys from the IRA really were a pain in the butt, liberally funded by our global saviours the USA, thanks guys

223 years ago, the British army was fighting a war with communications and logistics stretched beyond anyones wildest imagination, the British colonials won that one and became Americans.

So guys, won anything since? (Without help that is)

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TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 5:02 PM User is offlineView users profile

Hell Karl you guys won't even attempt anything these days without the United States backing you up. Well you did pick on those poor Argentines a few years back you bully! You Brit's are going to talk about our gang problems. Hell most of our gangs are from Mexico since the liberal's think its cool to let everyone in the country for free room and board. Better look at home before casting stones my friend. Besides the gangs in the United Sates just kill their own mostly and I don't know any of them personally, so what the heck does it matter right?

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Edited: Mon January 16, 2006 at 5:04 PM by TRB

Karl Hofmann on Mon January 16, 2006 5:18 PM User is offlineView users profile

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When you have an enemy which uses the general population to hide within there is going to be civilian casualties.





Yep and if I wanted to live and stay safe from bombs I would be telling the terrorist to get a long ways away form me or I would be turning them in, they do have a choice stay there and get bombed along with the terrorist or get out before the bombs, and if they know the terrorist are hanging out there and don't get away from them or turn them in well thats a personal problem.



So, say you are a regular guy, trying to scratch an existance, feed your wife, and kids, where are you going to go? To a refugee camp to starve and roast under a relentless sun? Rat on them knowing that the security forces have been infiltrated and that your name will be passed back, if you are lucky they will only kill you, if not watching you wife and daughters raped and cut open? Or keep your head down an pray that it will all end soon, seeing them run and hide as the US drive in to town and come out like cockroaches as the dust from the last vehicle settles? Do please bear in mind that untill a few years ago that life was realatively good as long as you kept yourself away from Saddam and that it all ended for reasons that you just dont understand.

Tim, I'm sure that if the enemy had nice shiny tanks to cruise round in, then they would be pleased to oblige, but the aim of a war is to win and since they have no tanks it would seem pretty futile to try to take on an Abrams or a C2 with an RPG or light arms, so they make their advantages where they can, perhaps they regard our troops as being yellow for hiding in heavily armoured tanks and APCs, why dont they come out and fight? this is not a criticism, but an observation that each combatant must use the surroundings that he finds himself in to maximise his chances of survival and maximise his destructive power against the enemy, it just happens that the US and British troops use protection that can be replaced at a factory.

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TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 5:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

Really it was all fine while Saddam was in power. You think those mass graves are filled with people that thought Saddam was a nice guy. Maybe the women that were rape over and over again think a little different then you do Karl! Maybe its you that does not understand because you are blind when it comes to looking at what has and is really is going on, my opinion.

"To a refugee camp to starve and roast under a relentless sun? Rat on them knowing that the security forces have been infiltrated and that your name will be passed back, if you are lucky they will only kill you, if not watching you wife and daughters raped and cut open"

So it was okay for the people you defend to cut open Margaret Hassan! Don't you see the hypocrisy when you say oh well concerning one person and try and make a point about another?

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TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 6:22 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl why have you not pointed out why more Muslins were killed by the terrorists today? Maybe it's do to the fact it makes the people you defend look bad.

1/16/06 Iraq Miqdadia 6 18 A Jihad car bombing kills six, including a child, and injures eighteen.
1/16/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 10 Five people are killed and ten others injured by a "Holy Warrior" suicide bomber.
1/16/06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 22 20 A Fedayeen bomber plows an explosives-laden motorbike into a crowd of people in a downtown area, killing at least twenty-two.


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Karl Hofmann on Mon January 16, 2006 7:24 PM User is offlineView users profile

So it was okay for the people you defend to cut open Margaret Hassan! Don't you see the hypocrisy when you say oh well concerning one person and try and make a point about another?


I see no hypocricy in what I said. If you cannot tell the difference between my example of Ali Averages reasoning for not moving from his home or grassing on the murderers so he would not be a target for the US bombs and the murder of Margaret Hassan, then this is not my problem. One was fact and the other was an example, do please try to read the posts that you answer to (Again a good example of the US only reading what they want to hear, not what is actually written)

Ali Average, I am sure is aware that the US has no staying power (Recent history confirms this) and knows that even before you are gone, if he had ratted on the murderers, then he would be sliced, diced and barbequed, bearing in mind that the US will soon be gone and the murderers will still be about, what would you do in his place? If you say that you would try to turn them in, then I know that you are telling lies




Karl why have you not pointed out why more Muslins were killed by the terrorists today? Maybe it's do to the fact it makes the people you defend look bad.

1/16/06 Iraq Miqdadia 6 18 A Jihad car bombing kills six, including a child, and injures eighteen.
1/16/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 10 Five people are killed and ten others injured by a "Holy Warrior" suicide bomber.
1/16/06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 22 20 A Fedayeen bomber plows an explosives-laden motorbike into a crowd of people in a downtown area, killing at least twenty-two.

I'm sorry, but I can't see why this would be realavent since the US did not feel it important to publish the numbers of Iraqis that were killed in the initial invasion of Iraq. You seem very concerned about these people, but how many of them did you cry for? what will you do to ease the suffering of their families? Will you remember them tomorrow?

Yeh, Right!

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TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 8:38 PM User is offlineView users profile

"You seem very concerned about these people, but how many of them did you cry for? what will you do to ease the suffering of their families? Will you remember them tomorrow"

What have you done to stop these actions Karl? Have you once spoken out against these acts? I have not once read where you condemn the road side bombings only what the US has done.

Karl this seems to infer that this was an absolute, "Rat on them knowing that the security forces have been infiltrated and that your name will be passed back, if you are lucky they will only kill you, if not watching you wife and daughters raped and cut open"?

Now Karl since you claim this would happen don't you think trying to remove these murderers would be good for the man just trying to feed his family? Or do you suggest this man live under fear that at any moment when the killer doe's not like the way you looked at him he would then murder and or rape his family. Would you not like the man to live in peace and let his children raise their children in a place of peace and not fear? Why do you want to hold this man down Karl and not allow him some peace?

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TRB on Mon January 16, 2006 10:21 PM User is offlineView users profile

Explain how this act was caused the the US or is this act just one of the oh well the girls should not have an education to begin with excuses?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180554,00.html

Honestly Karl how can you defend these acts. If this was done by the US you would have been posting it as fast as it popped up on the net.

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