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NickD on Wed March 29, 2006 8:46 AM User is offline

Lots on the news on this subject lately. Only have one comment on this subject.

For a legal immigration, a sponsor is required for the immigrants and that sponsor must sign a I-864 form that is a contract with the US government. That contract states that the sponsored immigrants must not receive any form of government aid and even aid from known charitable institutions like the United Way or Red Cross, even reduced school lunch programs is included in this contract. If caught, the sponsor will be taken to court, sued, pay all pending court costs, a penalty, and interest on the amount of aid received from the federal, state, county, city or private institution plus pay back the amount of the aid.

The amount of aid from these same government agencies and private institutions is unlimited for illegal immigrants, an illegal couple here having a baby, that baby is considered a US citizen and instantly eligible for full Medicade benefits plus monthly payments as just one small example.

Somehow, this doesn't seem right, much better off to do it illegally according to our laws and practices.

Bigchris on Wed March 29, 2006 11:21 AM User is offline

And dubya is fighting to maintain the status quo for illegals who are working here! Kinda raises the hairs on the back of my neck - how about you?

NickD on Thu March 30, 2006 9:46 AM User is offline

Medicade is getting moral in that money paid for baby delivery to unwed illegal couples is being charged back to the couples. Typical bill is $4,000.00 for a normal birth. Although I have no idea what a legal marriage is in particular to a group of people that uses fake I.D's and SS cards. Or if a legal marriage is even necessary, under WI divorce laws, a couple that lives together and especially a couple that has children are considered legally married under the common law act and both parents are responsible for welfare of the child.

Many corporations that hire illegals have some kind of blanket SS card, not sure how they pull that, but what is criminal, if a worker gets involved in an accident whether their fault or not, are immediately dismissed so workers compensation doesn't have to be paid. Know of a woman that was hit and severely injured while milking a cow, the idiot that hit her with the tractor kept his job, she got canned and left there to suffer until a community group paid her expenses for medical care, the corporation claimed no liability as according to their records, she didn't exists. It's stuff like this going on in America that can make a guy sick

Family farms are going broke due to extreme property taxes and low milk prices, but yet the corporations are making out okay buying these farms cheap and hiring illegals and working them 120 hours per week. These are jobs according to Bush's spokeswoman that Americans don't want, sounds like another form of slavery to me.

NickD on Sun May 28, 2006 6:57 AM User is offline

Ha, the house and senate are oceans apart in the immigration reform bill that brings about the question, why do we need more immigration laws? The USCIS already has a ton of laws, some made by congress, the most made by the USCIS itself where even some of their laws conflict with the US Constitution and definitely collide with other US agencies. Impossible for even the most intelligent person to interpret these laws, have to hire an extremely competent immigration attorney to make heads or tails of it. Many of the questions on the zillions of forms are so ambiguous, one doesn't even know what they are asking let alone guess at the answer they are looking for.

Like the IRS, most of the agents working for the USCIS don't even know a fraction of the law, so you have to have a very experienced immigration attorney that will explain the law to their agents

We already have a ton of laws and willing to bet not one senator nor congressman knows about the 200 years of laws already passed. So why are they making even more laws?

Bigchris on Sun May 28, 2006 9:46 AM User is offline

How about the "guest worker" program? I thought that was what green cards and the special visas that Bill uses to hire his Indian programmers were for? Does this sound like reducing the size of government to you?

NickD on Sun May 28, 2006 5:08 PM User is offline

Green cards that aren't even green are temporary or permanent residence cards, the procedures already exist to obtain one provided a whole list of criteria is met, For those that do not meet the criteria, they can enter a lottery where some odd 50,000 names are drawn each year. But these are to become a permanent resident with the option of becoming a US citizen if they would take the trouble to learn some English and take the US Constitution trivia test.

For guests, we already have a very extensive visa program with visas issued for a huge variety of reasons, easiest visa to get is if you are a multimillionaire that owns a castle in your home country, and you want to come here to spend some of your cash. Also easy are student visas where you will show reason to return to your country, but come here to pay big bucks for tuition, universities will pull all kinds of strings to get you here. Most difficult are work visas were currently you must show a talent in some field where there exists a shortage of American workers, speaking of the average person, but no sweat if you can be the star pitcher for the Yankees.

One visa I am not aware of is one that states you will do work no American will do for pennies a day, so all congress has to do is come up with that visa.

(That long space was a combination of XP messing with FireFox, couldn't correct it, but apparently not affected by Win98SE where I could correct it.)

Edited: Tue May 30, 2006 at 2:57 PM by NickD

Bigchris on Sun May 28, 2006 7:12 PM User is offline

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Originally posted by: NickD
Most difficult are work visas were currently you must show a talent in some field where there exists a shortage of American workers, speaking of the average person, but no sweat if you can be the star pitcher for the Yankees.
Looks like it's about to get easier.

NickD on Sun May 28, 2006 9:00 PM User is offline

You will never get me to argue the fact that Bill needs skilled workers, but that article is a bit confusing, not only two months ago, the senate said that the H1B quota is frozen for the rest of the year, then a couple of weeks later, said would allow up to 30,000, now they are talking 115,000? Either bad news reporting or we have a flipping senate. My source is a news bulletin from my immigration attorney's firm, course they were upset when the quota was frozen, would put those guys on welfare in an instant.

Russell on Mon May 29, 2006 1:01 AM User is offlineView users profile

Now you are talking about 130,000 people that come here with enough cash to pay an attorney. They probably came (or stayed) illegally too. The difference is they know that politicians are mostly lawyers, so hiring a lawyer is just like hiring a politician. Instant American!

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bohica2xo on Mon May 29, 2006 3:34 AM User is offline

Actually Russell, the people with H1-B visas are following the rules. They are not sneaking into the country, then demanding legal status after working for years.


Your "instant american" is usually called a zygote.

They just deported a bunch of illegals here, and one family had 6 rugrats. The wife said he had been working in the US for ten years, and did not understand why they were deporting him now. The INS said he was ordered by a judge to return to mexico seven years ago. If they had thrown him out back then, there would be 7 less welfare cases now. Instead, we have six little US citizens - that do NOT speak english.


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NickD on Mon May 29, 2006 8:08 AM User is offline

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Use to be the motto for immigration, but we don't want the poor anymore, unless they are willing to work cheap. Ironically, in the 50's, a meat cutter was an honorable high paying profession, my brother-in-law had to undergo a three year apprenticeship, stick union, meat was only sold between 9:00 AM and 5:30 PM on weekdays. But a pound of hamburger was 30 cents. Today, done mostly by illegals, least around here for minimum wage or less, but a pound of hamburger is over three bucks, over ten times inflation. Minimum wage back then was $1.25 an hour, now it is around $5.25 per hour or about four times as much, compare that with the price of a pound of hamburger! Some one is cleaning up on this, and not the workers like it use to be and it is not the farmers that raise the beef.

Chicago use to be the electronics capital of the world, thousands of high paying jobs, then suddenly all the plants moved down south and even further down south to Mexico, so I am not exactly sure why we need H1-B workers here, GM and Ford are laying off engineers by the thousands now. The largest sectors of immigration are either Chinese or Mexicans, ha coming here for jobs when our jobs are going there. If that makes any sense.

One can pay USCIS a few bucks more to expedite a visa, not a bribe, least that is not what they call it.

Bigchris on Mon May 29, 2006 8:37 AM User is offline

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You will never get me to argue the fact that Bill needs skilled workers....
I think you missed the point. Bill wants workers that are cheaper, not more skilled, and willing to work for a tyrant just to have jobs in America! People are leaving MS in droves and Ballmer is rumored to being outed as well because they can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse yesterday. So now our government is helping Bill get cheaper labor at the expense of American jobs so he can get richer. Only in America...

NickD on Mon May 29, 2006 9:14 AM User is offline

It's amazing to me how Bill has formed a multibillion liability free industry and the Americans are stupid enough to accept it. A poor engineer working the old way could cost a company millions, ha, met many an engineer where the company would be better off to double their pay and make them stay home.

Our clinic with over 4,000 employees and loaded with PH.Ds in management comes to a complete stand still when Bill's garbage crashes and it is costing them millions of dollars as well as any other major corporation. But even though they are sued to the hilt if even one minor mistake is made, just take this software stuff in stride. Extremely stupid of them in my opinion. Guess common sense is not part of the Ph.D. curriculum. LOL.

Bigchris on Mon May 29, 2006 10:16 AM User is offline

LOL Well, there is mounting evidence coming from Europe that even Microsoft doesn't know how their stuff works, so maybe we shouldn't blame them too much when it doesn't.

TRB on Tue May 30, 2006 11:29 AM User is offlineView users profile

Amazing, you guys preach its okay to hire an illegal to do your daily chores but Bill can't hire the people he wants too! Trust me I do not care for the communication issues when trying to deal with MS or many other computer firms, which have gone over sea's for staff. But I find it a little hypocritical to claim it’s okay for the illegal to be cutting your grass and making your Taco and Bill can't do as he wishes for his staff.

Maybe we should be crying why IBM sent/sold its notebook division to China. How many "American" jobs were lost in that deal. That nasty IBM they were just trying to save a buck and hurt America!

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NickD on Tue May 30, 2006 3:04 PM User is offline

We should be crying for most of our industries going overseas, Ford and GM are following. Ha, with his money, Bill can do anything he wants to, but apparently his money is not bringing him happiness, still wants more, and wants to control the entire internet, maybe the entire world after that. He must also be living in a state of fear for the some 4,000 companies he put under, someone must be teed off at him and his business practices, I wouldn't trade places with him.

Chick on Tue May 30, 2006 6:17 PM User is offlineView users profile

I wouldn't trade places with him either...But I'd trade wallets...

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TRB on Tue May 30, 2006 7:04 PM User is offlineView users profile

So many love to complain about a company like Microsoft, Haliburton or the oil industry making money. But many middle class retired folks have these companies in their portfolio! So I guess all these people complaining want these retirees to lose their portfolio and go on welfare.

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Bigchris on Tue May 30, 2006 9:40 PM User is offline

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Amazing, you guys preach its okay to hire an illegal to do your daily chores but Bill can't hire the people he wants too! Trust me I do not care for the communication issues when trying to deal with MS or many other computer firms, which have gone over sea's for staff. But I find it a little hypocritical to claim it’s okay for the illegal to be cutting your grass and making your Taco and Bill can't do as he wishes for his staff.

Maybe we should be crying why IBM sent/sold its notebook division to China. How many "American" jobs were lost in that deal. That nasty IBM they were just trying to save a buck and hurt America!

Bill can afford to hire senators to cut his grass. My means are more meager.

Very few IBMers lost their jobs. Lenovo just became their new employer and they report to the same jobs in the same place as before. Lenovo recently announced they are moving their corporate headquarters to Raleigh, NC. This has actually turned out to be a better deal for IBM employees than one contemplated in the early 90's which involved moving the Thinkpad operation to Brazil. And better too then when they moved the entire PC division from Boca Raton to Raleigh, although anyone willing to move kept their jobs. Same story with the OS/2 group that got moved from Boca to Austin, Texas. It's why they call it the "I've been moved" company. It got me to Japan, England and 2 1/2 years living and working on the French Riviera so it has it's benefits too. Now if you want to bitch about how much programming is being done in India for IBM these days, that's a horse of a different color. Although, I guess on balance I'd rather see them sending the work out than bringing aliens in as Bill is doing.

Edited: Tue May 30, 2006 at 9:52 PM by Bigchris

TRB on Tue May 30, 2006 10:45 PM User is offlineView users profile

IBM is just as bad as Microsoft! That is if you apply the same arguments for both companies. They are out to make a profit and will do what is needed to achieve it.

http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/Week-of-Mon-20030721/024044.html

But have fun beating Bill to death its an old tired argument and I have things to do!

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Bigchris on Wed May 31, 2006 1:03 AM User is offline

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IBM is just as bad as Microsoft! That is if you apply the same arguments for both companies. They are out to make a profit and will do what is needed to achieve it.

Isn't making a profit how businesses stay in business? Based on stock prices I'd say IBM is much better at it than Microsoft.

NickD on Wed May 31, 2006 11:51 AM User is offline

Do ya think I could interest IBM in licensing a small I/O disk operating system?

Bigchris on Wed May 31, 2006 6:39 PM User is offline

The one they're using now runs everything from a wristwatch to the worlds fastest massively parallel supercomputer and the license is free so you'd have to offer very good terms.

k5guy on Thu June 01, 2006 12:49 AM User is offline

LOL... I'm sure SCO would offer them a good deal.

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NickD on Thu June 01, 2006 1:01 AM User is offline

Gee, not too long ago, they licensed it from a 19 year old kid rather than paying a couple of bucks for it outright from the start, so they have done away with licensing?

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