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Hey Karl is this what you mean by trying to understand them?

TRB on Tue March 06, 2007 3:22 PM User is offlineView users profile

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256980,00.html

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Karl Hofmann on Tue March 06, 2007 5:56 PM User is offlineView users profile

So they're screwed up...big deal. Are you honestly saying that the US justice system has never made a decision that you have felt is unjust? Of course we could also question the spin that the media has put on this case, all we know is what a mickey mouse media source tells us. To you guys life is black and white, you rabidly support what you choose to believe in yet would simply disregard any evidence, no matter how compelling if it does not fit with what you choose to believe.

I'm afraid that I know nothing about this case but suspect that not all the facts have been presented but to an American the fact that the outcome is based on Sharia law is automatically bad. If getting in to a car with a man is a crime in a certain country, then it is a crime. In the UK, jaywalking would not result in a man being beaten to the ground and arrested, yet this is what happened to a British Professor in the US recently. Remember that clip where the three British motoring journalists were stoned and chased out of town in Alabama for having slogans about country music, homosexuality and Hillary Clinton on their cars? Well a lot of people saw that over here and concluded that the people of the US are backward, savage and intollerant, who is the US to dictate to anyone how to be civilised?

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TRB on Tue March 06, 2007 7:54 PM User is offlineView users profile

Just wanted to see where you stood on the flogging of a young lady for being raped. No the US has poor judgement at times! Since it is fine to flog a young lady for being raped. That makes everything the US does ok. I am getting your thought process correct right Karl. As long as you can point blame elsewhere the other actions are justified correct.

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Karl Hofmann on Wed March 07, 2007 4:35 AM User is offlineView users profile

Tim, as far as I can see she is not being flogged for being raped, but for getting in to a car with the guy. We don't have all tha facts here but getting in to a car with a guy who was trying to blackmail her was not the way to go. It is up to everyone to take responsibillity for their own personal safety, if their law says that it is illegal to get in to a car with a guy, then perhaps this incident is something that this law was designed to prevent.

If you think about it many of the laws in these religions are designed to protect the population....Praying five times a day means that they must be clean before their god, so it gets people to take care of their personal hygene.... "Cover thy head unto god" means that they must wear something on their heads, a good way to protect against sun stroke...Covering their women in public...Think about it, years ago flashing a pretty woman infront of a group of sex starved nomads really was a recipe for disaster... And so the list goes on.

Sure the guys were in the wrong but the girl acted foolishly and didn't take care of herself properly. I'm not going to condemn her because she is the innocent victim but she could have done her bit to protect herself. Have you stopped to consider that she might have had a bit of a reputation and it all got out of hand, there are girls that I knew in my area who had a reputation, this is only natural, some of them attracted th wrong kind of guy and regretted it some were lucky...as I said we dont have all of the facts

You really should stop reading gutter journalism...It will rot your brain

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Russell on Wed March 07, 2007 12:10 PM User is offlineView users profile

Tim................I believe that I was the one who cautioned you to try to "understand" your enemy before you attempted to destroy him. I think you should direct your question to me.

You still have no idea why these people think the way they do. When you crowed like a rooster about Iraqis getting to vote, I cautioned that you would not recognize the type of "democracy" they would freely elect. They have elected their clerics. We have separated our church from our state. Not that I am a religious man but there seems to be something in a religious rather than money based government. Those in our government that do claim religious beliefs do so in order to gain votes from those they consider simpletons. Good 'ole george never attended church before his wife made him. When Barbara Bushes mother died they did not bother to attend the funeral services. His younger sister died at three and was buried with no service at all.

They have practiced their beliefs for thousands of years longer than we americans have. Simply put, they have no desire to have access to Starbucks or to judeo-christian faiths. They don't want a system where 1% of the population controls the other 99%. They believe still in unity of tribe and honor of family. We destroyed the tribes in america long ago.

Our capitalistic democracy is failing us because we have worshipped it. We have allowed the capitalists to control EVERY aspect of our lives. When it suited them, we worked like slaves. We "prospered", but who got rich? Now the elitist have abandoned us for monetary gains elsewhere. There are other peoples to plunder, yet more resources to squander, more species to eradicate as pests.

I have just read the recent posts about everyones failing health and wish you all the best. But I must ask........is your government there to help you? We allow more and more foreign chemicals to be inserted in our food to grow larger crops, so the corporations make more money. Our cancer rate continues to increase. The average american man weighs 45 pounds more than his father did at the same age. Is it because you are healthier? Cholesterol comes from adding otherwise unuseable fat to our diet. Sugar is made in a refining process remarkably similar to the manufacture of cocaine. Need I go on?

You complain about the high cost of medications and ask why is it cheaper in third world countries that you consider backward. You complain that the skilled and manufacturing jobs have all moved abroad......have you asked yourselves why?

You mock the global warming theorist because you don't understand. The holes in our atmosphere are forming over our polar ice caps. It is there that the temperatures are rising, the ice is melting and the weather patterns are changing. The land areas, once warmed by the sun are now shrouded in clouds. Record snow falls in locations with normally mild winters. (where did this moisture come from?) The snow should be melting and yet it continues to fall. Those of you that point out that written records began only a few hundred years ago say how do they know, there is no record. They know because the science tells them. They can look at the structure of a rock and tell you about the temp and humidity where it was formed and when it was first exposed to the air.

Global warming will lead to more cloud cover between us and the sun. This will ultimately bring about lower temperatures.

We continue to be trans-fixed by hollywoods illusionists while we are told our standard of living is getting better. In 1776 the "average" american put in a 6 hour day, and he worked for himself.

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