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TRB on Wed March 14, 2007 10:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Karl Hofmann on Thu March 15, 2007 3:30 AM User is offlineView users profile

Ha Ha! enough sleep depravation and beatings and I'd admit to liking George Bush....

Be carefull with confessions, the British Police used to beat confessions out of IRA terrorist suspects only for them to be found innocent years later and let go. The issue of terrorism especially on your home soil is an emotive one for all concerned. A confession is no substitute for good detective work and hard evidence.

Give him a few more kickings and perhaps he'll admit to being responsible for global warming too.....

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NickD on Thu March 15, 2007 9:29 AM User is offline

Torture comes in many different forms, spending three hours hand hauling frozen chunks of salted ice the city dumped in my driveway in sub zero weather was torture. Spending 50 hours of my time updating on the latest laws and doing federal, state, and sales tax forms was torture.

Standing out in an icy rain waiting for the FAA plane to come in for a flight check was torture. Being stalled for over seven hours in Chicago traffic was also torture, but glad I don't have to do that everyday. People with mondane jobs day after day is pure torture, watching Gore on the acacadmy awards was torture. Spending 40 hours in the hospital have my body probed was torture, but they used the word, this may be uncomfortable. Paying my increased property bill is always torture. Having to drive over 600 miles in one day, plus work is torture, talk about getting tired and wanting to nap, this is augmented by turning on the radio listening to the same crap about Iraq, more torture.

Last airport job, got frost bite on my fingers with cracked skin, that was also torture, but it had to be done and need the money to pay my property taxes.

Many more examples of how each of us experiences day to day torture, and most of us didn't do anything wrong to deserve such treatment. Even our military subjected us to torture, having to spend hours standing at attention while mosquitoes were having a field day chewing us up, weren't allowed to slap that bastards, so torture is very much apart of life.

It was me that caused global warming, struck a match the other day.

TRB on Thu March 15, 2007 10:33 AM User is offlineView users profile

They get the right man. Put him on trial. He confesses and you still have a conspiracy theory. No way to win with you guys! Then again I believe that is what we are up against in general when dealing with the terrorist are ok believers!

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TRB on Thu March 15, 2007 4:17 PM User is offlineView users profile

Guess the video tape is fiction also?

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Karl Hofmann on Sun March 18, 2007 5:46 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: TRB
They get the right man. Put him on trial. He confesses and you still have a conspiracy theory. No way to win with you guys! Then again I believe that is what we are up against in general when dealing with the terrorist are ok believers!

Who said that you have the right man? is that not for a court to decide? As I said, torture a guy and he will confess to anything, you would do anything to get some sleep or to make the noise stop or to stop the pain under the right circumstanses. Present evidence not a confession made under duress.

Not sure just what video you are referring to...

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TRB on Sun March 18, 2007 1:31 PM User is offlineView users profile

Another friendly gesture! Who is really killing the Iraqi people? Had to have been a Haliburton truck!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6461757.stm

The Daniel pearl video. I'm sure you have not seen the video. Its pretty gruesome and we know your peaceful terrorists would not do such a thing correct! Must have been a hollywood horror flick someone made out on the back lot some where.

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Karl Hofmann on Sun March 18, 2007 2:05 PM User is offlineView users profile

Yeah, you are right, I've not seen that video. I know what a decapitation looks like and I guess that they are all pretty much the same. Mr Pearls death is undeniable neither was his means of death but unless the film actually showed footage of his murderer who can be identified then there is no real evidence that says that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was or was not the murderer.

The method of extracting the confession from the accused is hardly fair or reasonable to the accused and you have found him guilty with no trial, no evidence that I know of other than a confession forced under duress and no transparancy.

What bothers me about this is not wheather or not this guy is guilty or not, after all the chances are that he probably is guilty of something or other but... 1. If you excecute this guy for the crimes that he is accused of and he is not guilty of some of them, then this means that the real guilty party gets away scott free to kill again, and you won't even be looking for him...2. How long before regular folk such as you and I become targeted for saying things that do not please our leaders and find ourselves whisked off to some secret CIA installation, fitted up for crimes that we have not done, perhaps a nice little confession could be beaten out of us, or we could be shot up with a cocktail of drugs which would make us say whatever our interrogators wish, we find our faces on the front pages of the news papers as public enemy number one and the last thing that we know is the fatal injection entering our arm, and knowing that the world beleives the lies that it has been told...With no evidence to support it.

And they say that George Orwell wrote fiction

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TRB on Sun March 18, 2007 2:53 PM User is offlineView users profile

You act like this is the first time in history a method was used to gain information. This dude is proud to speak of his accomplishments. I don't think he did 1/3rd of what he is claiming. But I'm pretty darn sure he has committed many of the acts he claims to have committed. Certainly enough to send him to the chair. As far as gathering information. Might look back in your own history on the methods used. They sure have used methods other than cups of tea and biscuits! Besides I'm all for them using any method they want if it saves American lives. Time to take the political gloves off my friend. The type of attitude you present is getting our soldiers killed.

Funniest thing I have heard in a long time was on the Bill (the idiot) Maher show the other night. Went on and on how there is this Cougar vehicle that would withstand a IED. According to him we have maybe 100 of them over in Iraq. He went on and on how the troops don't have what they need. Funny these are the same guys adding billions to the war bill so they can have their pet projects funded.



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Karl Hofmann on Sun March 18, 2007 4:12 PM User is offlineView users profile

Well if you look back to my earlier posts, you will see that I have already made comment to our police force beating confessions out of IRA suspects back in the 1970s only for new evidence to be found proving them innocent. If good detective work had been used instead of a good kicking, then the real culprits may have been caught and jailed and the innocent wouldn't have spent time doing porridge for a crime that they didn't commit.

To me the real crime is that once these guys were locked up, the book was closed, they were left to rot and the real terrorists were free to carry on their work. Not only that but the brutallity of the interrogations made the British even more hated in NI and this in turn made life even more difficult for the Army and the Royal Ulster Constabulary to root out the ring leaders as the terrorists were less hated than the authorities. This I am sure that this has caused far more fatallities than would have been. Perhaps this is a history book that should be read by your administration.

Ok so they play dirty so what? We are supposedly civilised with good information gathering systems, billions of dollars of resources, well equiped and well trained troops, in the main well diciplined and yet we fall at the last hurdle by grabbing the first dodgy looking towel head, kick ten bells out of him untill he confesses to everything, including the death of Princess Di, tell the press the case is closed we got the SOB, tie him to old sparky and give him a good toasting....All happy in lala land... Gee guys, why dont you just make recruitment posters for Al Quada? Because this kind of stuff just breeds fear and so, hate in even the moderates who fear that even they aren't safe from the Evil Imperial American Empire and its torture techniques, so if they ar now targets for the US, then they may as well get out there and pot some yanks rather than wait to be dragged in to a nice quiet bunker somewhere...This may not be so but I'm sure that this is how they see it....Because this is the way that I would see it

And so the cycle of death and hate continues ad infinitum...

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TRB on Sun March 18, 2007 4:40 PM User is offlineView users profile

Let's see using that thought process. Capture any non believer or anyone the terrorists don't like. Slice their throat video tape it for all to see. Make bomb walk into the deli blow self up killing everyone in a 100 foot radius. Capture new police force and tie up blow hole in back of head. Hell Karl I can go on and on. Funny thing is you act as if these practices just started in the past 4 years. Sorry pal your friends have been acting this way all your life and then some. Only difference is they now are pushing their polices around the world along with just killing each other. You say we make a good recruiting poster for them. Well they make a pretty good recruiting campaign themselves. Here is my take Karl. I could see the US calming things down if the terrorist stopped some of the shit they are doing. Problem is even if the US left that hole your pals would not stop their practices and would most likely increase them. So with all your rants on how bad we act. You have yet to come up with any reasonable answer as to what would stop these individuals from continuing the path they are on. It so easy to sit and point fingers. But honestly do you really have any answer other than the US is bad?

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Karl Hofmann on Sun March 18, 2007 5:58 PM User is offlineView users profile

Ok...The US is bad...

Why? Because your guy is just too dumb to learn from the greatest teacher there is...History.

Americans have very short memories and are habitually insular. There has been global terrorism for many years, a fair bit of it has been sponsored by the US. Of course the US public had no idea as to what was happening because as far as you guys were concerned the world ended at the US border. You were so arrogant that you genuinely believed that you could do anything that you wanted to anyone and were totally safe, and so when you are attacked in your own back yard, you were so incensed with rage you lashed out blindly at anything and everything... Obviously Saddam was a nasty piece of work, so by your own flawed logic he is the root of all evil, so if he is disposed of, then the world will be a happy and wholesome place again....So, you disposed of him, you invaded a country and removed its leader...the same leader that was keeping the lid on a large part of the middle east through brutal beatings, torture and murder, leaving a country with no strong leader, a corrupt and spineless administration and a focus point for every loony who has a beef with the United states and now you just don't know what to do. I suppose that you could ask Iran to help you out, but wait...You guys paid your buddy Saddam to invade Iran and kill millions of Iranians...US sponsored terrorism at its best...Oh Well! Looks like you are going to have to endure years of sending massive quantities of recources off to Iraq to try to keep a lid on things using the same tactics that you said that you despised....Torture, beatings and murder.

There is no answer anymore.. you guys screwed it up. The greatest resources and technology in the world and your solution to the problem is to bomb the shit out of the first name that came in to your presidents head. Now you have to grin and bear it because if you pull out of Iraq, then they will start to come for you in your own back yard again

And yes, I'm sure that someone will say that this act was done by the Democrats and that act was done by the Republicans and so not valid because it was not done by their choice of presedent..but this is only a valid argument in the US...The rest of the world couldn't give a stuff, the presedent was an American and so you are all tarred with the same brush

In short, the invasion of Iraq ...

Has not made the world a safer place for anyone.
Has not brought democracy to anyone.
Has not found any quantity of weapons worth jack
and has not saved any babies or children

It has however..

Made the world a more dangerous place to live
Opened up a terrorists holiday camp
released huge quantities of small arms and explosives to terrorists
Encouraged Saddams well trained army to go and join Al Quada
and has made the US show itself to be the huge corrupt, brutal, insular, smallminded, hypocracy that its allies used to snigger about.

You guys pay your leader a fat salary to come up with world class solutions... In the opinion of the rest of the world.. he's over paid

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TRB on Sun March 18, 2007 7:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

How soon we forget they flew planes into our buildings before teh President sent anyone into Iraq. Have mistakes taken place, absolutely! But your deal is to give these terrorist a free pass to do whatever they want. Maybe its you that is over paid pal! Karl your country has funded or been part of many military options. Many have a poor look on them just as you claim the world now looks at us.

Just in case you have forgotten!

In May 1941, in the midst of a World War, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered his reluctant Commander-in-Chief Middle East, General Sir Archibald Wavell, to march on Baghdad to effect a "regime change." The British Prime Minister's arguments reflected many of those same concerns expressed today by members of the George W. Bush administration: British intervention would "pre-empt" Axis support for Rachid Ali, a violently anti-British Arab nationalist whose government threatened Britain's strategic position in the Mediterranean and the Middle East. It would strike a blow at a terrorist challenge orchestrated by a charismatic Islamic cleric. British intervention also would protect oil reserves vital to the British war effort. Furthermore, Churchill was willing to wave aside offers of third-party mediation in favor of a "unilateralist" approach. Conversely, Wavell's arguments against an invasion of Iraq mirrored contemporary objections—he simply lacked the resources to add Iraq to an impossibly extensive list of military commitments. A military attack, Wavell believed, would make Britain's position in the Middle East less, not more, secure. Better let sleeping dogs lie and take care of pressing business elsewhere.

Text from the The Other "Gulf War"—The British Invasion of Iraq in 1941

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Karl Hofmann on Sun March 18, 2007 8:11 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: TRB
How soon we forget they flew planes into our buildings before teh President sent anyone into Iraq. Have mistakes taken place, absolutely! But your deal is to give these terrorist a free pass to do whatever they want. Maybe its you that is over paid pal! Karl your country has funded or been part of many military options. Many have a poor look on them just as you claim the world now looks at us.


But who flew planes into those buildings? Under the orders of Saddam?? Only you guys believe that!!

Let us not forget who paid Arabs to kill Arabs, you may have forgotten, or not even have known but they will remember for generations.

Your example is perfect for proving my point... The British have made some major blunders and these are written in the history books for all to learn from....Well for wise people to learn from anyway and yet the same mistakes are made, for petes sake! somebody buy him a history book!

Yes the British Empire was an agressive and greedy war machine..but at least they won some wars.. and then stuck around for a while

There are some who have all the gear but no idea


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TRB on Sun March 18, 2007 8:42 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl its not a one man show over here no matter how much you all want to place blame on the President. Let's not forget most all of the democrat big shots here in America claimed the same stuff which lead to war, which they now all deny! You have liberals under cutting our troops at every corner. You have political agendas (both sides) which do not allow our troops to fight a war like is needed. It is a shame to put our troops in danger and have politicians play games with there lives.

Did you read that completely or just what I quoted. Again mistakes have been made and your country has made as many as anyone else in this world. Bottom line is you failed to fix it before, yet love to point fingers now. Heck Britain could be one reason things are as bad as they are now! I think you need to recheck your history! As we did no matter how much you want to discredit us help defeat Germany. I know your views on this but the truth remains you would live under a different law if it were not for Americans fighting for your freedom. But I do agree with you on one point. If this is the way the politicians are going to allow our country to fight a war. Then please do not send us to war anymore. It is a disgrace to treat our troops the way they (politicians) do!

Bottom line in my opinion is the radical Muslims do not want peace. They do not understand peace. They continue to kill each other century after century. All they have done is drag us into their fight. But then again so did Japan! Saddam was just part of the problem Karl. He funded terrorist groups! But you fail to check into the people that fund the people you defend. It is cool to scream about US polices. But if an Arab is funneling cash to the bombers its all good and never question their methods!

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Edited: Sun March 18, 2007 at 8:44 PM by TRB

Karl Hofmann on Mon March 19, 2007 5:03 AM User is offlineView users profile

Well Tim,

I do know that it just isn't the Presedent but unfortunately he is the guy at the top of the tree and so the buck stops with him if he was allowed to just shrug his shoulders an say "Nothing to do with me" then there is no point in having a man at the top.

Most of the British actions are pretty indefensible but most of the countries where thay have been still talk and associate with us. Iraq may not have been perfect but left to himself, Saddam was a small time dictator who kept order in his own brutal way, Iran also is reforming itself slowly from within. and need no help from you guys, the studends are doing their own thing and eventually will be the guys in charge. The United Arab Emirates and Oman are shining examples of the British and Arabs working together and are places where I would not hesitate to visit or live again. Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) was the bread basket of Africa whilst working with the British, sadly it only takes one fool to screw it all up.

I think that the religious looneys in the US are just as bad as the Islamics and feel that this whole thing is more of a crusade. I don't think that the American people want peace at all, they want to show their strength and superiority and yes intolerance, Remember that clip that I posted of the Top Gear presenters driving through Alabama? So much for American freedom, sure the locals may not have agreed with the slogans but is it reasonable to throw rocks at people who you don't agree with? Ok the people in charge may be richer and the rocks are replaced with high tech weapons but the attitude remains the same....

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TRB on Mon March 19, 2007 12:15 PM User is offlineView users profile

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but is it reasonable to throw rocks at people who you don't agree with?.

If I drove through the streets of Iraq, Iran, or any Arab state with a slogan Allah sucks. I bet there is a better chance of my head being sliced off then a couple yahoo's throwing some rocks. Not sure where you get your thinking from sometimes pal.

Yes the President is the top dog and is responsible for the actions of our country. But I will have to say the office of the President is meaning less and less all the time in my opinion. Matter of fact I think our political system is showing signs of failure in general. But honestly I see no other system working any better, which is sad!

Americans want peace! But I cannot say the same thing for your Arab pals. Remember there slogan is to kill all that do not believe!


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NickD on Mon March 19, 2007 1:26 PM User is offline

If you two guys would debate on Fox, I would watch Fox, LOL.

Really a very good debate with many good points made, but do not feel this is a USA/British thing. Matter of fact, there is no war in Iraq, it was over a long time ago. Both the British and USA went into Iraq to topple the Saddam regime, that was accomplished in days. The Iraqi's were suppose to be happy, the USA, British, and a couple of Spaniards troops accomplished their mission, and should have come home. The Iraqi's should have formed a new government with ever lasting peace.

But we or somebody elected to be in an occupational state that is leading to the present havoc. A larger debate is going on right now as to whether the Iraqi's would be better off if we all did leave. I tend to favor that, get out and see what happens, too many of our ground troops are getting injured or killed, sometimes getting injured is worse than getting killed.

If the Iraqi's can't do anything, we can always go back there and bomb the hell out of them, that can be done with minimum damage to us and very quickly. Feel right now, nobody is sure who is in charge, but if we claim we are giving the Iraqi's freedom, let's give them that freedom and get our asses out of there. Should have done that five years ago.

TRB on Mon March 19, 2007 2:42 PM User is offlineView users profile

I believe we need to fight terrorism! But if the government is more worried about offending people and has these incredibly stupid rules of engagement. I agree remove our troops. Why in the world do we have a policy of not firing on their holly places. I'm all for not damaging their places of worship and think we should respect them. But if these killers are firing from them or running into them all's fair in love and war! I read we can't go into these place or that neighborhood. Gee nothing like creating a safe house for the bad guys to run too! I think President Bush has made some large mistakes, I'm willing to admit it! But this crap I see coming from Washington is absolutely amazing in my opinion. The big libs could care less about our troops! They are only using this as a way to gain popularity. That's it plain and simple. Look they will fund the current war bill as long as they have a few billion to play house with. Come is that supporting our troops or supporting their party?

I don't agree with Karl on a many things! But I like him, as its not just a pissing match name calling discussion when I chat with him.

Karl hates when I post this. But this is what I see when Karl defends these people. Do all Muslims act this way. Absolutely not! But it the attitude of oh well so and so did this or that so its ok. No its not ok and its not ok to have a policy of I'll kill anyone who is not a believer. That is why I say these people do not want peace and this will be the mother of all wars.

Just for the month of March. About the List of Terrorist Attacks

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
3/19/07 Thailand Pattani 3 3 Three Buddhist women are shot to death by militant Muslims while riding to work at a farm.
3/18/07 Thailand Songkhla 2 2 Two Buddhist factory workers, a mother and daughter, are shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
3/18/07 Paskistan Mardan 1 0 Religious extremists gun down a watchman, then set fire to four music shops.
3/18/07 Somalia Kismayo 1 0 Islamic insurgents assassinate a police chief.
3/18/07 Thailand Songkhla 1 0 A Buddhist man is shot off of his motorcycle by Muslim radicals.
3/18/07 Iraq Ramadi 9 0 Nine Iraqi policemen are tortured and then decapitated by Sunni militants.
3/18/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 18 Two people are killed when Islamic militias bomb a restaurant.
3/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 6 30 Sunni terrorists detonate a car bomb in a Shia neighborhood, killing six residents.
3/17/07 Iraq Mahmudiya 2 0 Two people are tortured to death by Islamic terrorists.
3/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 0 Sunni-Shia sectarian violence leaves at least nineteen dead.
3/17/07 Afghanistan Farah 2 0 Two policemen are killed during an ambush on their convoy by religious extremists.
3/17/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 2 Two children are murdered by a suicide bomber.
3/17/07 Thailand Songkhla 3 7 Muslim terrorists attack a boarding school with bullets and bombs, killing three children and injuring at least seven more.
3/16/07 Iraq Fallujah 8 350 Freedom fighters unleash suicide chlorine bombers on a populace, killing at least eight and injuring hundreds.
3/16/07 Somalia Mogadishu 7 1 Islamic militias bomb a house, killing seven people, including four children.
3/16/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban execute the captured Afghan driver of an Italian journalist.
3/16/07 India Baramulla 1 7 The Mujahideen throw a bomb into a bus stop, killing one person.
3/16/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 A government official is killed by a Hamas gunmen.
3/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 12 0 Twelve people are killed by sectarian Jihadis in at least two attacks.
3/16/07 Iraq Mosul 4 0 Terrorists slay two men and two women, but leave two infants alive beside the bodies.
3/15/07 Iraq Iskandariya 6 23 Jihadis kill six passengers in a car-bomb attack on a bus.
3/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 8 25 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out eight Iraqis and injures two dozen more.
3/15/07 Iraq Mosul 4 11 Two separate Jihad attacks leave four people dead.
3/15/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A Muslim terrorist shoots an office worker three times in the back before fleeing.
3/14/07 Thailand Yala 9 1 Islamists bomb a bus full of Buddhists, then shoot all of the victims at close range. Two teenage girls are among those massacred.
3/14/07 Afghanistan Faryab 1 1 Taliban militants shoot a police officer off of a motorbike.
3/14/07 Thailand Yala 2 11 Radicals throw a bomb into a coffee shop, killing two innocents.
3/14/07 Iraq Mosul 2 4 Jihadis kill a man and his young child with mortars.
3/14/07 Afghanistan Khost 5 38 A suicide bomber wearing a Muslim prayer cap strikes near a police patrol, killing five other people.
3/14/07 Thailand Yala 1 11 Islamists bomb a moderate mosque, killing at least one person.
3/14/07 Iraq Tuz Khurmato 10 15 A suicide bomber yells, "Allah Akbar," then blasts the life out of ten people at a market.
3/14/07 Iraq Hillah 3 0 Three off-duty policemen are brutally gunned down by Islamic terrorists.
3/14/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A human rights activist is gunned down while drinking tea at a shop.
3/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 0 Freedom fighters murder seventeen Iraqis.
3/14/07 Iraq Baqubah 4 0 Four decapitated heads are found.
3/13/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 The 12-year-old son of the president is killed in a mortar attack by Islamic militias.
3/13/07 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 3 6 Three civilians are blown to bits by a suicide bomber, who detonates in a crowd of people.
3/13/07 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 1 6 A suicide bomber murders at least one other person.
3/13/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 2 1 Two people, including a teacher, are gunned down in separate sectarian attacks.
3/13/07 Pakistan Borianwala 2 0 A young woman and her lover are gunned down by her father and brothers in an honor killing.
3/13/07 Somalia Sheik Sufi 3 1 Islamic militias fire shells into a neighborhood, killing three civilians.
3/13/07 Iraq Baghdad 30 7 At least thrity people are killed in six separate bombing and shooting attacks by Islamic terrorists.
3/13/07 Iraq Mosul 18 4 Eighteen victims of sectarian violence are found over a 48-hour period.
3/13/07 Yemen Saada 12 0 Twelve Yemeni soldiers are killed in a clash with radicals Shias.
3/12/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 At least one person is killed when an Islamist tosses a bomb into a restaurant.
3/12/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Islamic militias attack Ethiopian troops. A boy and a woman are killed in the crossfire.
3/12/07 Afghanistan Bakwa 9 1 Religious extremists blow up an Afghan police convoy, killing nine officers.
3/12/07 Pakistan Belod 3 0 Two men and a woman are shot and stoned to death for adultery by the Lashkar-Islam group.
3/12/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 0 A Shia rickshaw driver is gunned down by Sunni radicals.
3/12/07 Pakistan Jandola 1 0 al-Qaeda militants kidnap and behead a civilian.
3/12/07 Iraq Kirkuk 4 0 Four firemen are killed by Islamic terrorists in a bombing.
3/12/07 Iraq Iskandariya 2 2 Jihadis mortar a soccer field, killing two boys.
3/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 0 Fifteen victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found around the city.
3/12/07 Thailand Pattani 3 10 Islamists set off a bomb, injuring ten people, behead a migrant worker and shoot two more to death.
3/11/07 Iraq Karbala 32 25 A suicidal Sunni targets a truck carrying Shia pilgrims, managing to murder over thirty.
3/11/07 Afghanistan Khost 4 0 Four policemen are killed in a terrorist bombing.
3/11/07 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two Buddhists, a brother and sister, are murdered by radical Muslims as they are returning from their rubber plantation.
3/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 60-year-old rubber tapper is shot to death by Islamists.
3/11/07 Iraq Mussayab 5 7 Jihadis kill five people in two separate attacks.
3/11/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 0 Twenty victims of sectarian hatred are found executed in various parts of the city.
3/11/07 Somalia Mogadisuh 4 0 Four civilians are gunned down in separate attacks.
3/11/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 8 A suicide bomber kills ten fellow human beings.
3/10/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 1 A bomb kills one person at a pasta factory.
3/10/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 A Pakistani solider is shot to death by Islamic militants at a checkpoint.
3/10/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 1 A government employee is killed by radical Sunnis while buying milk at a grocery.
3/10/07 Afghanistan Arghastan 8 2 Religious extremists cross over from Pakistan and kill eight Afghan border guards.
3/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 27 37 Freedom fighters murder over two-dozen Iraqis in at least five separate attacks.
3/10/07 Thailand Yala 2 0 A Buddhist man and wife are brutally slain by Muslim gunmen as they are driving home from market.
3/10/07 India Tral 2 0 Two civilians are killed when fleeing militants use them as human shields.
3/10/07 India Srinagar 1 2 One member of a security patrol is killed when the Mujahideen hurl a grenade at them.
3/10/07 Pakistan Dwatoi 1 0 A Pakistani soldier is killed by radical militants along the Afghan border.
3/10/07 Iraq Kirkuk 3 55 Jihadis rocket a bus station, killing at least three innocents.
3/9/07 Afghanistan Arghandab 2 6 Two civilians are killed and six wounded by a roadside bomb attack.
3/9/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 An Afghan refugee is executed by Taliban militants.
3/9/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 0 Ten victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found murdered..
3/9/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 0 A Shia businessman is shot to death by Sunni radicals.
3/9/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists enter a grocery store pretending to be customers, then shoot the owner to death.
3/8/07 Afghanistan Mirwais Mena 1 5 Three children are among five civilians injured by a suicide bomber. Elsewhere, a German aid worker is killed.
3/8/07 Pakistan Tank 1 0 A Sunni activist is gunned down by radical Shias while sitting in a café.
3/8/07 Iraq Hawija 3 0 Jihadis kill two civilians with a bomb, and another in a shooting attack.
3/7/07 Thailand Pattani 1 2 A Buddhist man is shot to death by Islamic terrorists, who also injure his wife and a 7-year-old girl.
3/7/07 Iraq Balad Ruz 30 25 A Fedayeen suicide bomber blows himself up in a café, taking the lives of thirty innocent people.
3/7/07 Pakistan Sui 1 12 Terrorists detonate a bomb, killing a pro-government tribal elder and wounding 12 others.
3/7/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 A 58-year-old Buddhist rubber tapper is beheaded by Muslim radicals, who then set his body on fire.
3/7/07 Iraq Diwaniya 2 0 Freedom fighters kill a police officer and his 10-year-old son.
3/7/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 49 Sunnis kill another twenty-two Shia pilgrims walking by the side of the road in four separate attacks.
3/7/07 Somalia Mogadishu 12 19 Islamic militias ambush a Ugandan convoy, killing a dozen civilians along a city street.
3/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 18 36 Three car bombs set by radical Sunnis target Shia pilgrims, killing at least eighteen.
3/6/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 35-year-old Buddhist is murdered by militant Muslims in a drive-by attack.
3/6/07 Iraq Hilla 93 150 Sunnis suicide bombers attack Shia pilgrims walking in a procession, killing about one-hundred in a brutal attack.
3/6/07 Iraq Mosul 5 18 Terrorists set off a car bomb, killing five civilians.
3/6/07 Iraq Tikrit 14 76 Sunni gunmen shoot fourteen Shia pilgrims to death in at least four shooting attacks around the country.
3/6/07 Philippines Mindanao 1 2 Moro Islamic Front terrorists attack a government post, killing a solider.
3/6/07 Pakistan Kandhkot 1 0 A woman is shot to death by her brother-in-law on suspicion of having an affair.
3/6/07 Pakistan South Waziristan 7 1 Uzbeki Mujahideen attack a local chieftan's home, killing his brothers. Four others are killed in the ensuing gunfight.
3/6/07 Aghanistan Nangarhar 8 35 A highway attack by the Taliban leaves eight civilians dead and over thirty-five injured.
3/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 70-year-old Buddhist man is shot to death by militant Muslims.
3/5/07 Iraq Sulaiman Bek 4 0 Four people are tortured and shot to death by Islamic militants.
3/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 13 27 Children are among those killed when Sunnis attack Shia pilgrims in at least three separate bombing and shooting attacks.
3/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 54 Over two dozen people are slaughtered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber along a city street.
3/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 21-year-old Buddhist man is shot to death by Muslim insurgents while standing in a phone booth.
3/5/07 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two men are gunned down by radical Muslims in a drive-by shooting.
3/5/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two Buddhist rice paddy workers are murdered by Muslim gunmen as they are working.
3/5/07 Somalia Mogadishu 7 2 Islamic militias are suspected in three separate shooting attacks that leave seven people dead, including business leaders.
3/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 3 Two married couples are targeted by Muslim gunmen, resulting in one death and three injuries.
3/5/07 Sudan Graida 2 0 Two African Union peacekeepers are murdered by suspected Arab militias.
3/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 25 0 Twenty-five victims of sectarian hatred are found executed.
3/4/07 Iraq Mosul 21 0 Four brothers are among twenty-one people murdered by Islamic terrorists in at least three attacks.
3/4/07 Afghanistan Nangarhar 16 25 The Hezb-e-Islami terrorist groups takes responsibility for a suicide attack that kills sixteen Afghan civilians.
3/4/07 Algeria Beni Yeni 7 1 Islamic fundamentalists ambush a police convoy, killing seven people.
3/4/07 Afghanistan Khost 2 10 The Taliban attack a forest ranger station, killing two innocent people.
3/4/07 India Dharmari 1 0 A civilian is shot dead by the Mujahideen.
3/4/07 Pakistan Nawabshah 2 0 A Muslim man hacks his sister and her lover to death with a hatchet in an honor killing.
3/4/07 Iraq Baghdad 34 7 Thirty-four people are killed by Islamic bombers and gunmen over a 24-hour period.
3/3/07 Iraq Tikrit 3 3 Three Iraqis are killed in a terrorist bombing.
3/3/07 Indonesia Ambon 0 13 At least a dozen people are injured in a nail bomb blast. Children are among the casualties.
3/3/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two teenage girls are murdered by Islamists as they are on their way to take a school exam.
3/3/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is shot to death by Muslim radicals while on his way to work at a rubber plantation.
3/3/07 Iraq Ramadi 12 22 A child is among a dozen people blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
3/3/07 Afghanistan Herat 2 17 Two Afghan civilians are blown to bits by a bomb planted by religious extremists.
3/3/07 Iraq Latifiya 3 0 Freedom fighters murder a mother and her two children with a roadside bomb.
3/3/07 Algeria Ain Defla 4 5 Four oil workers are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists while traveling in a bus.
3/3/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A civilian is shot and killed by Muslim militants.
3/3/07 Afghanistan Sangin 2 0 Two British soliders are killed when Taliban militants fire rockets into their camp.
3/3/07 Iraq Yusufiya 6 0 Six members of one family are shot to death inside their home by Sunnis angry that they were seeking peace with Shias.
3/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 17 Sunnis car bomb a used car lot, killing at least Shia patrons. Six bodies are found elsewhere.
3/2/07 Iraq Ramadi 2 0 Terrorists shoot to death two members of a soccer team.
3/2/07 Pakistan Multan 3 8 A bicycle bomb targets an anti-terror judge, killing at least three people.
3/2/07 Chechnya Lada 2 1 A policeman and his wife are slaughtered in an ambush by Jihad warriors on their vehicle.
3/2/07 Iraq Diyala 18 0 Eighteen policemen are kidnapped by al-Qaeda and executed in captivity. A video shows the killers screaming, "Allah akbar," as they do their work.
3/2/07 Afghanistan Kunar 1 2 Taliban terrorists attack a police station, killing an officer.
3/2/07 Iraq Iskandariya 4 10 Freedom fighters lob mortars into a residential neighborhood, killing four people.
3/2/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a man to death while he is sitting in his pickup truck.
3/1/07 Afghanistan Garmser 1 0 An Afghan doctor is kidnapped and murdered by extremists.
3/1/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamic insurgents kill the bodyguard of a government official.
3/1/07 Afghanistan Farah 3 48 Taliban terrorists detonate a bomb by remote control, killing at least three civilians. Ten children are among the injured.
3/1/07 Iraq Fallujah 7 6 Seven people at a wedding party are murdered by a terrorist bombing.
3/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 4 At least two separate terror attacks leave sixteen people dead.
3/1/07 India Kishtwar 2 0 A man and his father are killed inside their home by Harkat-ul-Jehad Islami terrorists.
3/1/07 Jordan Amman 1 0 A 23-year-old man strangles his 43-year-old aunt to death on the (erroneous) suspicion that she was not a virgin.
3/1/07 Pakistan Punjab 1 0 A Muslim murders a heretic after shouting, 'You are an infidel.'


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NickD on Tue March 20, 2007 5:43 AM User is offline

You can add some odd 2 million to that list of Iraqi's that fled Iraq after we invaded because they had a couple of bucks to do so, another 650,000 that were killed after we invaded, just a few by us as reported, but mostly by other Iraqi's.

Maybe I shouldn't listen to PBS radio call in shows, don't know whether these guys are lying or not, one marine calls in saying that they can not get parts for the Humvee, have to make do. Another calls in saying they do have a new Cougar that is bomb proof, but far and few in between. Another calls in as being the first injured in Iraq, has a leg blown off, but admits he is gay and on a gay complain now for gay rights that the commander in chief has started a new war on. Yet another calls in, also severely injured complaining that his combat pay was stopped because he was moved into a safe zone in Iraq, but has bits of him blown off anyway in a Humvee. Stated that combat pay is now 225 bucks per month, was ten bucks when I was in when I was asking why this war is costing us so much. All this stuff took place before the dems got into power.

However, another guy calls in claiming to be a general of a national guard unit that was recently sent over there stating his troops have all the latest and best equipment. Would be nice to hear this from his men, PBS on the air for call ins are on a first name basis only, so really can't check these guys out. Is it safe to assume the identities of the callers are checked out first before they get on the air?

On the national level, have the generals in the Pentagon stating that a civil war is going on in Iraq and we are in the middle of it, but the commander in chief comes on the air and denies this. So who does one believe?

Commander wants to send an additional 21,000 troops to Iraq, Pentagon is increasing this number to 31,000, they have the constitutional right to do so.

What is troubling to me, is that somehow massive amount of weapons are getting into Iraq, thought I understood mostly Russian made, but who knows, could be American made as well. Not just hand guns, but surface to air stuff that have knocked down our rescue helicopters. Difficult to really know what is going on, but sounding like another VN if we are not allowed to stop the flow of weapons into that country. They say the terrorists are doing this, if they are, they are not in Iraq, so we are fighting this war in the wrong place.

And why is the national guard going there, suppose to defend our home land, not really trained full time, and most are family guys, even in WW II, they didn't send family guys, something ain't right.







TRB on Tue March 20, 2007 11:32 AM User is offlineView users profile

That 650,0000 is a media number Nick. Iraq released its own casualty numbers and it was closer to 60,000. I don't doubt many killed have not be accounted for. But are these numbers just those killed by US troops? Then again they may be including all the Muslin cafe bombings of their own people or executed police trainees. In my opinion it is absolutely amazing to watch these people day after day blow up their own people. This has been going on as long as I have been on this planet! But remember they are the religion of peace! Yea right!!!!

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NickD on Tue March 20, 2007 2:38 PM User is offline

Your 60,000 is twice that what Bush stated in a news conference a couple of months ago, that kicked off some of these media numbers. They are based on statistics with questionable results, figures don't lie, but liars figure. The excuse is, not easy to do a survey in a country that is at war. Fact is, our leaders don't want a body count and that further causes distrust, not that the numbers are meaningful, if someone loses a loved one, that one person is all that counts. Bitterness is the prime result causing even more deaths.

I think we are there to keep the peace, sounds good in principle, but is our presence there escalating this war?

More interested in this reported flow of weapons to the so called insurgents, especially the high tech weapons, in WW II, with Marshall law, first thing to do is to collect and destroy all the weapons, that stops fighting in a hurry, we don't seem to be doing that.

Just a small handful of terrorists attacked our country and now an entire nation is at war with thousands getting killed, especially our own young boys. Was wrong about this war going on for five years, celebrating, if I can use that word, the forth anniversary. And again, not suppose to be a war, but an occupation to help establish a new government.

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