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NickD on Tue October 16, 2007 9:25 AM User is offline

Sounds good serving your country, the Wisconsin Air and Army National guard provides a means of a force to defend this country against foreign aggressors and if you sign up, four free years at Madison. Kind of figure if this country is attacked, we all will be in deep trouble regardless of whether your kid is in the NG or not. Besides defense, help to our own people in need in case of natural disasters.

Not sure what share the state pays, some of it is federal, but the way it reads, sounds like a kid is getting $68,000.00, but not really, all that money goes back to the state in the form of tuition. What a kid is doing is giving up at lease nine months of his/her life for a little class room space, but also has to keep that GPA up or ends up in debt. But is an opportunity to make the break from poverty and get an education.

Can backfire though, an in-law, young girl barely 5' 3" tall 17 1/2 years old signed up with the Air and actually qualified for flight training in Colorado. She was just pulled out, sending her to Texas for a four week MP training, sending her to Iraq to sweep streets. Her tour of duty is for 15 months? What in the hell difference is this little girl going to make in Iraq and why is that draft dodging idiot in the White House sending her? She is not exactly a big tough marine, was extremely upset to hear this last night. What are her odds of coming home in one piece? And what is she going to learn in four weeks? If Bush believes in what he says, why isn't he sending his own daughters? Or better yet, going himself? Naturally, this girls parents are worried stiff, man this country is going to hell. If the Iraqi's won't defend themselves, why should we send an 18 year old kid? Doesn't make any sense, but what does?

Hopefully her commander will give her some paper work to do and won't send her out in the streets, somebody has to have some common sense, her other option is to get a dishonorable discharge losing all rights as a US citizen plus her education benefits.

HerkyJim on Thu October 18, 2007 2:56 AM User is offline

Got your dander up there Nick.

Don't blame you though. Female policeman is a nutty idea in the first place. Military Police is even more ludicrous. But military service is nowadays more about social engineering and something for nothing--or very little--for a great many of those serving, IMO.

What kind of military flight training? It varies, from fighter pilot to stewardess..uh, did I say that? I meant flight attendant of course. No gender non-neutral for me. No Sireee, Political Correctness Thought Police may be listening in.

No need for a punitive discharge; unsuitability for military service will get you an honorable or general, I believe. Might even still qualify for some vets bennies.

Anyway, I hope it all works out OK for her, and she remains safe until this whole mess is over. Not likely to be over in my lifetime though, IMO.

We need the draft reinstated ,by the way.

My $0.02

NickD on Thu October 18, 2007 7:28 AM User is offline

Would love to see the draft reinstated with no married kids and Harvard exceptions, that would certainly start the second or is that the third American Revolution? Maybe I am old fashion where the women stay at home, can't even open a jar of pickles. Just can't even visualized this great country of ours sending baby girls to defend us, must have a very desperate guy as commander and chief of the armed services. His gun crazy civilian mercenaries aren't working out, whole world is going against us. See he named the latest aircraft carrier after his dad, but should have named it old man bush instead so people know the difference. Wouldn't care to serve aboard a ship with a name that much of the world doesn't like, should give these ships a number instead.

iceman2555 on Thu October 18, 2007 11:24 AM User is offlineView users profile

There are many varied views concerning the military involvement in the middle east.

However, sending women to engage in combat...on any front is not the fault of the 'Pres'...blame that fact on the feminist movement of later days...they wanted to be equal to men in all aspects....and unfortunately...be very careful for what one wishes for...it may come true....and in this instance it was, my thoughts, a total FUBAR idea.....there is no way in all of God's great creations would I want my daughter to be involved in any form of combat. Heck, I've been a class 3 weapons collector for many years and my daughter can be devastating with a M60 or AK47...but that is at targets....the idea of someone returning fire.....that does get the 'dander' up.
I feel great pride in the men and women who go in harms way.....to protect this great country.....and make the sacrifices each day that are a part of this commitment.....what really produces the 'urge' to eliminate.....are the politically connected that do not give this young men and women (unfortunately) the support they so rightly deserve. Seems to be of great comfort to the enemy.

One method to insure a military victory is to break the desire to win.....using what ever methods are demanded....extreme violence is a part of war....never wish to see some of those sights again.....but when a enemy sees and hears some of the supposed leaders of a county crying about how unjust this is....or how we are loosing....or that we are intentionally killing non combatants.....yes, it happens...but it is by far from the normal activities of trained military soldiers...and we may as well pack our bags and go home.....that in itself seems to be the first step in loosing.....

Nick, the prayers of many are for the safe return of your associates daughter as well as those others that serve....the Moms....Dads....Sons...and Daughters that will never come home or will return less than whole.....all are in prayers daily.

Once heard a statement.....can not remember from where it originated...."When politicians sons (daughters) are required to fight.....then there will be no more wars!!!"
Reinstate the draft.....sincerely hope not....not until it can be administered in some more equatable method.....my service number stated with US.....if one is unsure....US-draft....RA= regular army....but all in all....no matter what the calling...we all took the one step forward to signify our acceptance.
If we are going to be involved in a combat situation....then lets get over there...get the job done.....get the journalist out of the picture....after all..most of the reporting are so biased......and let the military do what the military is designed to do......

God's blessings and safety for all those that go in harms way!

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NickD on Fri October 19, 2007 9:33 AM User is offline

Things didn't quite make sense with my young in-law, actually, she joined the guard upon high school graduation last year, elected to take the nine weeks of basic followed by four weeks, the shortest school the army offers, in MP duty, so she could knock that off in the summer months so she could start college in the fall of last year. Her plan kind of backfired on her. Barely a month in college this year, pulled into active duty, and off to Iraq.

History shows that 200,000 NG's already served in Iraq, most on extended tours with another 13,000 scheduled to go next month, also an extended tour. She didn't consider that, but I have to also admit that when I was 17, I did know everything.

As a regular, never had much respect for weekend warriors, had to put up with them, an undisciplined poorly trained bunch of guys back then. Rambo kind of showed that in his first movie about the effectiveness of the NG, LOL, more truth to that than one would like to admit.

iceman2555 on Sat October 20, 2007 10:03 AM User is offlineView users profile

Uncle Sam gave me my dream job in the early summer of '69......a few weeks of training during the summer months.....spend in a wonderful resort..known to the world as Ft. Benning...located in the souther part of "jawja'. Ahhhh..those wonderful memories of morning runs.....hours of D&C.....PT......can still taste the clay of GA in my mouth.
But this was the part of the 'Nam' experience and we had many 'weekend warriors' there.....about 25% of our company. Of course, in those days they were there to stay out of the draft and out of 'the Nam'......how things have changed....many volunteered for the Guard.....hey why not....a good way to complete military service....get some cash for college...a weekend each month....a couple of weeks each summer and 'wham bam'.....it all over. Those are not my words...they were the words of many of the reservists of the time.

Of course, those days have long gone and now the 'reserve' has become the front line soldier of the day.
If a any lesson was learned concerning the military....it was they will do what they want with your body at any time they desire. Learned early....never make my own plans to far in the future.....one thing for sure...they would change at a moments notice....and more often than not....it includes what was not in my original plans to begin with. You are, as was stated by the DI's many times....you belong to the Uncle....body and soul.

Looking back....and it is always clear.....service was a great time....learned many things...met some very interesting people....got to see some very interesting places....accomplished things never would have thought possible.....and the best part....came home....but that was by the grace of Almighty God....Thank you, Father.

I pray for those that have entered into military service and into harms way.....for those that have never been there....there is no understanding of what happens on that side of the curtain.....

For the leaders of this wonderful country who lack the courage and the character to support these troops...those that down play their sacrifices....those that use the blood of these outstanding men and women as a stepping stone for their own political advancement....for those that change their statements to support their particular political belief of the moment.....those that call our 'bravest' murders,,,rapist....child killers....heard the word 'genocide' used.....for these there is nothing but total disdain.....

Keep them all in your prayers....pray for an early...but victorious return of these heros.....pray for a strong leader,a person of character for this country in the coming years....the really sorry part of this.....there are none of these traits in those that are currently available.....they speak the words necessary to get the job.....there iare perhaps one or two exceptions of this....but...unfortunately....they are falling along the side of the road.

Nick, hopefully your 'young in law' will return safe and sound.....

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TRB on Sat October 20, 2007 9:40 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: iceman2555
For the leaders of this wonderful country who lack the courage and the character to support these troops...those that down play their sacrifices....those that use the blood of these outstanding men and women as a stepping stone for their own political advancement....for those that change their statements to support their particular political belief of the moment.....those that call our 'bravest' murders,,,rapist....child killers....heard the word 'genocide' used.....for these there is nothing but total disdain.....

Well said!



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NickD on Mon October 22, 2007 8:01 AM User is offline

Told my step-daughter about my in-law, she is tempted to join the guard, kind of an independent person so she will get the money to go to college. She has a long talk with her recruiter, he says he can cross out MP training on her contract, she will probably go to Iraq, but will be working in a well guarded area. My only comment was, remember who the commander in chief of the entire armed services is said in a very nice voice. Army Needs is the bottom line, but it is her decision.

Would be a different story if Iraq showed at least a tiny interest in defending themselves and they can't seem to come up with a constitution without leaving out the Koran. Did suggest the Air National guard to her, so much for Russel's response of plunging a sword in a Muslim and twisting it while looking him in the eye, prefer if my daughter were 600 miles away firing missiles. Russel can send his kids to twist that sword, but she didn't like the long high tech schools the Air offers. She is 5'3", 115 pounds and can't even open a jar of pickles and I do not feel even with four weeks of extensive training, she would last five minutes hauling an M-16 while sweeping the streets.

And regarding benefits, can always be another fire in St. Louis or maybe in this high tech era, the records computer disk will crash with no benefits. I had to pay for my own college, VA wouldn't even accept all of my original records that I have kept. Going to scream if I see another Veterans Memorial Highway or Park, is that what our veterans want?

Gee with my veterans card can get a 10% discount on hotels, train, plane tickets and a rent a car, provided the price is full retail with no discounts or specials, isn't that great? Worked with civilians in the military that knew 10% of what I knew but got paid ten times as much, but a 5:00 PM, they got to go home. That apparently has not changed, and our wounded troops today with half their bodies blown away get stuck in a VA hospital at half pay. This nation never really cared about our troops, any comments on that?

gregg on Mon October 22, 2007 10:09 AM User is offline

Hope and pray for all the soldiers in harms way. Hoping for some kind of sane outcome in Iraq.
Similar situation in my family....my 20 year old nephew and his girlfriend just joined army natl guard TX. Told they could get into all kind of neat stuff with education benefits also.
I tried to dissuade my nephew due to feeling he would also end up in Iraq but guess they are going to listen to the recruiters bs. I'm not sure Iraq or Afghanistan were ever mentioned to these kids! He and she in basic now...just hoping for the best...thats all we can do now!
So when they passed the No Child Left Behind law ...little known rider put in 11th hour
that requires recruiters be allowed in our high schools to recieve federal monies. The military also has access to high schoolers records...believe this violates privacy laws ..but don't quote me on this as I'm no lawyer. There is an opt out form that can be turned into the school but in the case of our local high schools it was put on about page 129 of the student handbook. To my knowledge there was never a separate letter of info passed onto parents about this option.
So almost all our high schooler's here in north TX were available to recruiters and they were allowed to speak to the students at school. I spoke to a principle at an inner city school in NYC last weekend and they had put out letters and had meeting about it with the parents and students..so all were well informed of the situation ...she said well over 90% opted out.
Could u imagine if I wanted to go into the school and set up a table and talk to students about the war and whats going on in the miltary what they'd do to me !!!!
I thinks it basically wrong that kids..many under 18 are only hearing 1 side of the story !!
I also think that if a recruiter is going to talk to kids under 18 a parent must be present!
Lets just hope there is a way out of Iraq...sooner than later. Not sure any amount of under trained underfunded troops are going to affect a reasonable outcome.
I think the average American supports our troops but agrees that this is/was
one of the most ill-concieved use of military force in history. It was poorly planned and now more poorly being administered...by no fault of our troops!
Unlike Viet Nam where is the public outrage?
Americans support the troops but the country can't afford to take care of the troops post
deployment....what a national disgrace!!! The VA has to continually go to congress and beg for funding every year. What going the happen to all the troops injured there...especially the ones injured mentally. I don't have alot of confidence that our military/government will take care of all these cases properly. And the number of cases will be staggering ....
So now the pres is saying that if Iran gets nukes it will be WWIII...armegeddon!!!
I thinks he has gone off the deep end.....his meglomania is out of control!
I still believe Bush is a dangerous out of control idealogue that will never be convinced that every decison he ever made was right ....and now 70 % of the American people are wrong!
Still havn't got the perpetrators of 9/11. So we gave up all those lives in Afghanistan for what?
I don't pertend to even have any of the answers of where we need to go from here...
I think I'm about lost as every else to the solutions to this mess!!!!!!






TRB on Mon October 22, 2007 10:46 AM User is offlineView users profile

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I don't pertend to even have any of the answers of where we need to go from here... I think I'm about lost as every else to the solutions to this mess!!!!!!

I tend to agree with that comment. My personal belief is we can not allow these people to continue their terror on the world. But I find it very hard to put troops in harms way when the people themselves continue to allow the terror to take place or promote it. We just had another cop shot by a illegal burger flipper last week. Some of these guard members should be protecting our border not being sent to police Iraq.

As for people having to go to fight for this country. I fully understand the concern mentioned here. But they signed on the dotted line! Just about everyone in American knows we are at war! So if you sign up for the guard you better think your heading into harms way at this point in time.



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iceman2555 on Mon October 22, 2007 6:42 PM User is offlineView users profile

Had the fantastic opportunity to share a row of seating with a young Army LT on a flight this weekend. He has been 'over there' twice....opps sorry..he is a rotary wing pilot....flies Apache copters.....but anywho....the topic of discussion was, of course, the current state of affairs in the middle east....one of the most heart warming statements he made was that the vast majority of the troops on the ground believe in what they are sacrificing themselves......also an inquiry about the citizens of Iraq.....he stated that those he had an interaction with appreciated the help...but they did want to be in control of their country...understandable....pride is a hard thing to dismiss.....and that the average citizen simply wanted much the same as we....a peaceful place to call home....no fear of walking the streets....and a country free of strife....and all were very glad to be rid of SH.
He has VOLUNTEERED for a third tour....canya believe it.....betcha....ole Clinton...either one....lacks the intestinal fortitude to follow thru with that one.....and well as most of the others that appear on the tube each nite.....would be a dream come true.....if they all were replaced......with two Americans who would be able to put the welfare of this country ahead of their own power dreams......yeah.....when pigs fly.....I know...but does not hurt to dream.
All in all....what are we doing there.....can we come home now.....are we justified in being there ???? Many questions....but one thought that seems to prevail with some of the troops I speak with.....'We are going to fight them over there....or we are going to fight them over here.....and we may yet end up fighting them here....."
Wonder how Hillary will react.....God forbid that she is elected.....when the next 9/11 event occurs....and it is believed that this will occur....not sure when....but it will occur again......
Not sure how many of your folks travel in these great states....but please...each time you see a young man or woman in military garb...please offer thanks for the job they are doing.....never fail to speak to a military person as I walk thru airports.....and the warm smiles are worth more than one can imagine. Was in a airport diner recently....two young men entered in....dressed in the latest Army camo.....took their seats.....and ordered their meals......when I paid my check....of course, I paid for their meal also.....and instructed the waitress to maintain confidence......but should have seen them smiling....high '5' each other and of course...looking around in order to determine who it may have been......it was money well spent.....
Ya'll have fun other there....remember someone gave his all for that right.....not just in this conflict...but in those of the past.....how soon we tend to forget.....
God bless this country.....


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Chick on Mon October 22, 2007 6:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

Amen, and God bless them all.....

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TRB on Tue October 23, 2007 12:58 AM User is offlineView users profile

Ice that was very well stated in my opinion. But we would not have to fight them all over! If we would protect our freaking borders and get a handle on who is coming and going in this country. This open door policy that has been allowed to go on for years is just stupid! America is getting itself in some sticky positions. Now you have Russia playing footsie with Iran.

Let's not forget Darfur. Don't see any talking or wishful politics helping these people. Love to see how some will spin this and blame it on the President!

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NickD on Tue October 23, 2007 7:37 AM User is offline

Only blame I heard about the president and Darfur is he is not doing anything about it and neither is congress. Heard Russell complaining about Christian killing Muslim, but what about Muslim killing Muslim? Heard China is supporting Sudan because they want their oil, don't we want their oil too? Now hear the Turks may be at war with the Kurds in Iraq. Here about racial differences, but missing on the boat badly on that one, they all look alike to me.

Many countries are interested in mideast oil, one way to get it is to sell them weapons of war and the more complicated and destructive, the better. Thing is, when these mideast countries buy these toys, they want to play with them and that starts a lot of problems. That may be okay, I guess, but do not feel the solution is to send over a 5' 3" girl carry a M-16.

Watched yet another natural disaster program on Discovery, this time huge amounts of methane can and has belched itself from the bowels of the earth causing a huge earth wide flashfire along with tsunami waves that will last for weeks destroying every coastal city in the world. Some scientists are saying this will happen soon as methane levels have increased by over a factor of seven over the last few years. Others say this is causing global warming and not CO2 as claimed by the movie stars and other nitwits like Gore.

If we have so much methane, also known as natural gas, why aren't we using it to power our electrical and vehicle needs? Going to blow us away anyway, why are we still fooling around with oil?

gregg on Wed October 24, 2007 11:10 AM User is offline

I'm sorry but for the life of me can't agree with the argument that if we weren't fighting them there
then we would be fighthing them here. The fact is that 9/11 was perputated by al queda with no backing or ties to Iraq. They were in Afghanistan not Iraq. But apparently they are in Iraq now where they had never existed before. There seemed to be no thought to what would happen to Iraq once saddam was out and the army was disbanded! Guess they figured a George Washington would just emerge out of the woodwork unite the country and bring peace, prosperity, freedom and democracy to a country that hadn't known any of those things in hundreds of years.
I have no doubt that most of our troops believe in the cause which is now I guess nation building...
a campaign promise Bush made that he would NOT get involved with!!! So if as the statistics seem to indicate that the surge has had some success then what were we doing there under manned and under armed for 3 plus years? The complaint of many of the Iraqi citizens echoes what was being said by
the average Vietnamese citizen. The US military comes in cleans out the bad guys and then leaves !
Back in come the bad guys with retribution being paid to any of the locals who were suspected of aiding the Americans!
My feeling that occupying another Islamic country for an extended period of time as we have...with no foreseeable end in sight..is the kind of justification al queda type groups use to recruit new fighters,
suicide bombers etc.
Now it seems that the graft and corruption within the Iraqi government both at the national and local levels is completely out of control. Read Paul Bremmer's book about his year in Iraq just to see how screwed up the Iraqi leadership is!! They can't even get off their asses and help themselves..can't put in more than a 3 hour workday and take a month off for vacation in August because its hot!
Heard last nite on Mcneal Leherer that congress now looking into what we got for 1.2 billion that
we gave to company that was supposed to train the new Iraqi military.
Wonder how alot of the troops will feel about the whole thing when they come home and can't get treatment for PTSD or any of the psycological problems that manifest themselves perhaps years later?

I still support the troops....lets make sure they are taken care of upon completion of duty.
They are the ones paying dearly for an ill advised and poorly run war. Hell...we are taking casualties inside the green zone..with mortors apparently and daily/nightly occurance now.

So here we are with a majority of Iraqis and 70% of Americans wanting troops back out of Iraq and Bush can't see anyway forward!

I don't at this point see anyway we can just mass exit Iraq...we now owe the average Iraqi more than leaving the country in the state its in.....but some kind of gradual withdrawal that will send the message to the Iraqi leadership that they better get off their asses and be prepaired to run the country on their own!!

I still don't think its right that military recruiters are in High Schools filling our kids full of BS at 16-17-18 years old. I wonder how often going to Iraq or Afghanistan is mentioned to these youngsters. I know my nephew still hasn't mentioned going to either war zone.....because he was told he would serve here!
Also recruiters have access to the kids grades..they are focusing on the ones with poor grades that wont get into college anyways. Hence much like the draft in Viet Nam its more poor inner city minorities that end up on the front lines.


TRB on Wed October 24, 2007 11:38 AM User is offlineView users profile

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I still don't think its right that military recruiters are in High Schools filling our kids full of BS at 16-17-18 years old.

That could be said about most Professors also!


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HerkyJim on Thu October 25, 2007 12:55 AM User is offline

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Originally posted by: gregg
Hope and pray for all the soldiers in harms way. Hoping for some kind of sane outcome in Iraq.

Similar situation in my family....my 20 year old nephew and his girlfriend just joined army natl guard TX. Told they could get into all kind of neat stuff with education benefits also.

I tried to dissuade my nephew due to feeling he would also end up in Iraq but guess they are going to listen to the recruiters bs. I'm not sure Iraq or Afghanistan were ever mentioned to these kids! He and she in basic now...just hoping for the best...thats all we can do now!

So when they passed the No Child Left Behind law ...little known rider put in 11th hour

that requires recruiters be allowed in our high schools to recieve federal monies. The military also has access to high schoolers records...believe this violates privacy laws ..but don't quote me on this as I'm no lawyer. There is an opt out form that can be turned into the school but in the case of our local high schools it was put on about page 129 of the student handbook. To my knowledge there was never a separate letter of info passed onto parents about this option.

So almost all our high schooler's here in north TX were available to recruiters and they were allowed to speak to the students at school. I spoke to a principle at an inner city school in NYC last weekend and they had put out letters and had meeting about it with the parents and students..so all were well informed of the situation ...she said well over 90% opted out.

Could u imagine if I wanted to go into the school and set up a table and talk to students about the war and whats going on in the miltary what they'd do to me !!!!

I thinks it basically wrong that kids..many under 18 are only hearing 1 side of the story !!

I also think that if a recruiter is going to talk to kids under 18 a parent must be present!

Lets just hope there is a way out of Iraq...sooner than later. Not sure any amount of under trained underfunded troops are going to affect a reasonable outcome.

I think the average American supports our troops but agrees that this is/was

one of the most ill-concieved use of military force in history. It was poorly planned and now more poorly being administered...by no fault of our troops!

Unlike Viet Nam where is the public outrage?

Americans support the troops but the country can't afford to take care of the troops post

deployment....what a national disgrace!!! The VA has to continually go to congress and beg for funding every year. What going the happen to all the troops injured there...especially the ones injured mentally. I don't have alot of confidence that our military/government will take care of all these cases properly. And the number of cases will be staggering ....

So now the pres is saying that if Iran gets nukes it will be WWIII...armegeddon!!!

I thinks he has gone off the deep end.....his meglomania is out of control!

I still believe Bush is a dangerous out of control idealogue that will never be convinced that every decison he ever made was right ....and now 70 % of the American people are wrong!

Still havn't got the perpetrators of 9/11. So we gave up all those lives in Afghanistan for what?

I don't pertend to even have any of the answers of where we need to go from here...

I think I'm about lost as every else to the solutions to this mess!!!!!!

Gee Gregg, don't they have TV in North Texas? Do you know whats going on in the military? What do you do in the military?

Edited: Thu October 25, 2007 at 12:58 AM by HerkyJim

NickD on Thu October 25, 2007 6:30 AM User is offline

The military? They need more money, least according to the president, so far requested an additional 192 billion in addition to the last budget, that works out to about 1.5 million bucks additional per soldier. And that is just for this fiscal year.

Read that of the 27,000 soldiers already wounded, their average pay of $2,500 per month is cut back to about $1,200, even with their limbs or guts blown out, but no longer in harms way. Total benefits for NG's is $68,000, but only providing they give most of this money back to the state in the form of tuition while maintaining at least a 2.0 GPA, if it drops below that, they are liable for the tuition expense.

Doesn't quite seem to add up, maybe someone else should do the math. Maybe the troops have to buy their own rounds of ammunition at a $100,000.00 per bullet, I don't know, just seems like a lot of money, but somehow get the impression, the troops ain't getting it. Who is?

gregg on Thu October 25, 2007 9:54 AM User is offline

Reply to gee dont they have tv in Tx.....what do you mean by that?

HerkyJim on Thu October 25, 2007 3:09 PM User is offline

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Reply to gee dont they have tv in Tx.....what do you mean by that?

Sure...

"...listen to the recruiters bs. I'm not sure Iraq or Afghanistan were ever mentioned to these kids!"

Well, I don't watch TV, but I'm sure the action in Iraq and Afghanistan is mentioned on TV at least occasionally. Maybe these kids don't watch TV? That would be surprising. I suppose you sat in on a recruiters "bs" pitch. What did he/she say that was so--hmmm--untruthful?

"Could u imagine if I wanted to go into the school and set up a table and talk to students about the war and whats going on in the miltary what they'd do to me !!!!"

Well, what would you tell the students? What do you know about what is going on in the military? Are you in the military or have you been in the military recently?

Do you think we need a military? If not why not? If so, where do you propose to get new members for the military?

Don't know if you were around for the draft, but it was abolished essentially by establishing a bribery program. Taxpayers pay extra so their kids don't have to serve. Its a free country. Your relatives don't have to serve. Nobody has to serve. So how do we get a job done if nobody has to do it? Right. Increase the incentives until you get some takers. Your relatives are just doing basic economics...

NickD on Fri October 26, 2007 6:30 AM User is offline

The army NG recruiter did tell my daughter, more than likely she will be going to Iraq, the idea is to get into a career field where she is doing her tour in a guarded base rather than guarding that base or sweeping the streets. It does sound exciting to her as our home town sucks, there is nothing to do here, how many of you heard that from your kids?

Really, the only difference in any city or town is that kids cannot go to bars or night clubs, but that is true in any town, we do have a couple of teen age non-alcohol night clubs here that plays music guaranteed to blow your ears off, Ha, I was raised in Chicago and that city sucked, but offers a little excitement that you made be robbed walking home, that happened to me a lot with a knife held to my throat and a gun to my head, all for a bit of change I had in my pocket. By thugs twice my size. We already hit all the zoos, amusement parks, museums, malls, and some of the live theaters in Milwaukee, Chicago, Madison, and the twin cities, yeah, it's a 2-4 hour drive, but I reminded my wife and daughter they were spending six hours on the road each day in Venezuela. I experience that myself in the week we were down there and my wife was afraid for her life.

But when you are 18, you want to pull stakes and see the world, wife and I were that way, even my neighbor said the same thing, he spent 15 months in Iraq, said when he was 18, just had to leave home, but after about two weeks in the army, wanted to come home again and told her that. Ha, recall a first sergeant I had to put up with for two years, guy was a nut, never could get personal with him and ten thousand times worst than my mom in keeping my room clean, and every second tried to find a reason to hang me. Never got me, but sure got some of my buddies. Can't tell a kid this, told her that go ahead and join, good experience. Her mom didn't like that, but reminded her of her mistakes when she turned 18 to get away from her father. Actually, about only 10% of the military is exposed to harms way, the rest are dealing with supplies, paper work, janitorial chores, fixing something that is broke, or cooking and serving meals. Most of it is pretty boring and forget about privacy.

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