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Are Californian Leaders Stupid?

NickD on Wed October 24, 2007 8:44 PM User is offline

Not exactly in those words according to a forest scientist just on PBS radio, the leaders just do not learn from history. This is in regards to the current fires around San Diego, the scientist said that every fall, this area has a drought and high winds, perfect for burning all that brush and if man doesn't ignite it, nature will.

Regarding ancient history, the Mexicans and Spaniards knew enough to burn this brush every year, not much of a burn, that was also the practice in WI until it was banned, get a flame front about two feet wide that goes across the field burning all the weeds and junk, leaving behind, very good fertilizer. But recent thinking is to let that brush grow wild, can't do anything about the winds carry lots of O2, nor the drought, but man certainly can do something about the fuel that is allowed to accumulate at an excessive rate.

One option he suggested is that they harvest this fuel and burn it in an electric generating plant getting some use of it. A caller called in and asked if these fires had anything to do with global warming, he just gave a big fat no to that question, this has been going on for centuries. Also stated that as recently as 2003, this same kind of fire destroyed over 6,000 homes in that area, they just put out the fires, but did not do anything to cure the problem, getting rid of that fuel.

He makes a lot of sense, refreshing to listen to common sense occasionally. Went further on indirectly attacking the so-called environmentalist about wanting to leave the forest grow. Says more trees will grow than the land can stand causing a water and a sap shortage, with fewer trees, and water, the trees have sufficient sap to kill beetles, leaving them alone, the sap disappears and the beetles are free to multiply like crazy. They kill the tree, it falls and dries up making even more fuel for a terrible forest fire. So indirectly, he is stating that environmentalists while thinking they are well meaning, are stupid.

Heard one newscaster state that over a half a million were forced to leave their homes in that area and another say a million people had to leave. Already over a billion dollars worth of homes and businesses have burnt down. All this good have been prevented by harvesting that fuel.

Do you think the Californian leaders will learn something from this? Or are they just stupid? Even the early Mexicans knew this.

TRB on Wed October 24, 2007 10:40 PM User is offlineView users profile

OK I'll bite, this is a trick question right!!!! LOL

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chris142 on Wed October 24, 2007 11:09 PM User is offline

It's the enviro wacko's that cause problems. They want thick forests. 100+ years ago our forests had something like 20 healthy trees per acre. Enviro's decide they don't want any cut down, no new roads etc and now we have 500 unhealthy trees per acre.

Don't even get me started on the Sierra Club.

TRB on Wed October 24, 2007 11:13 PM User is offlineView users profile

That what caused our big fires a few years back. Greenies made a fuss about under cutting and guess what. Little fire had lots of fuel to become a big fire.

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HerkyJim on Thu October 25, 2007 12:49 AM User is offline

California leaders? What makes you think that California has leaders? "The land of fruits and nuts" I grew up there. My Mom said LA was a nice place before the war. Still pretty nice further North when I was a kid.The place is unleaderable (is that a word; maybe I invented a new one?) Its called diversity.

The newest religion of big business. The company sends me an e-mail with a new political correctness "diversity" skit video every so often. Last year it was ethics. Storing up some ammo to fight any court actions in the future I guess. "See...we have a very active program of diversity and ethics training and emphasis...blah blah blah" How about you Tim, filling your diversity square?

October 1975, and I'm in Van Nuys, CA (LA area). The air Guard unit there had had a little ground mishap with one of their airplanes and they sent an active duty team to do the investigation and report. The hills are burning! Standing outside my hotel room and its raining soot. HaHa, them Santa Ana winds pretty strong to carry soot from the hills all the way out to the coast. So the buckbrush and manzanita all burned off and a couple months later comes the SoCal version of the Southwest Monsoon and its mudslide time. Been happening for years.

Hey, its a free country. Can't tell a man what he can do with his property, and the rest of us get to subsidize their insurance premiums. Those burnt-out houses will be hauled away and new construction will replace them. Ain't it wonderful.

NickD on Thu October 25, 2007 6:53 AM User is offline

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OK I'll bite, this is a trick question right!!!!

Yeah, and the answer is three.

1 each fuel
1 each oxygen
1 each igniton

Adds up to 3. heard a commentator on the mass media last night, we should chase down the arsonist that started this fire in a world wide search. The arsonist may well be the heat of the sun or the science of electrostatics where dry winds causes molecular friction causing an electrostatic discharge, particularly in a very dry climate. Or better yet, major conspiracy of all the pine cones getting together somehow starting the fire, the only way these pine cones can hatch their seeds to grow a new tree is by the heat of a forest fire, so they do have a motive.

Forest fires are a very much a part of nature, so mother nature is the arsonist, it's her way of cleaning up the forest. It's not really a disaster unless someone puts up a half a million buck home in the middle of this process and has kids that can fry.

Just wonder, if a million people were forced to leave their homes, where did they go? Maybe they should stay there and built their homes and businesses. Gore must be having a fit with all that CO2 being generated, but an opportunity to build a billion more Prius's to offset the effects of it.

TRB on Thu October 25, 2007 9:45 AM User is offlineView users profile

Sorry you are wrong Nick. I heard Dick Chenney was seen running from the scene with a bic lighter.

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NickD on Thu October 25, 2007 11:27 AM User is offline

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Sorry you are wrong Nick. I heard Dick Chenney was seen running from the scene with a bic lighter.

I did get a letter from my airline company that the NSCIS is no longer requiring them to confiscate Bic lighters.

Are you saying because of this, half of California has been burnt down?

Can't blame Dick, have to blame the NSCIS or somebody else. Something or someone has to be blamed.

mhamilton on Thu October 25, 2007 1:35 PM User is offlineView users profile

Heard the gov'ner on a soft-news program this morning, he says global warming is to blame.

Oh, and they got their arsonist. Police shot someone while attempting to chase him down.

NickD on Thu October 25, 2007 2:39 PM User is offline

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Oh, and they got their arsonist. Police shot someone while attempting to chase him down.

The police shot Dick Chenney? Was he hurt?




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Heard the gov'ner on a soft-news program this morning, he says global warming is to blame.

Could be, but that wouldn't explain the cause of the fire in 2003, we didn't have global warming way back then.

TRB on Thu October 25, 2007 2:54 PM User is offlineView users profile

Are we sure it was related to global warming? Could have been related to one of Gore's 11 global warming lies!!!

Have you not learned yet Nick. You can't kill Dick Chenney!

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NickD on Fri October 26, 2007 8:05 AM User is offline

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Have you not learned yet Nick. You can't kill Dick Chenney!

Not even with a wooden stake through the heart or a silver bullet? Does he fear the cross? And what about garlic?

National Geographic has a nice article on New Orleans in the August 2007 issue, briefly the army corps of engineers is constantly dredging old man river, but is filled in again with all the surrounding mud sinking down to refill that hole. Makes sense and seems they should take that mud from the bottom of the river and drop it on the surround land. NG states that the surrounding land is dropping on a average of inch per year. Only problem with that is that there are houses everywhere. They also commented on the construction of the levies, doubt if they could withstand a category one. Must make life more exciting.

We do live on a ever changing planet.

Karl Hofmann on Fri October 26, 2007 2:05 PM User is offlineView users profile

Oh come on guys... It's obvious who started the fire.. Saddam Hussein.. the poor bugger gets blamed for just about everything else that goes wrong in the world.

By the way, Billy Joel said that he didn't start the fire..Do you believe him?

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NickD on Sat October 27, 2007 7:26 AM User is offline

Well, it's a terrible tragedy, I get upset when I find a scratch on my home, but maybe that is worse than watching it burn down to the ground. And could have been prevented, wonder if all these people and insurance companies would sue the government? Oh, that's right, can't sue the government, government made laws against that. Amazing to me how our leaders get away with murder

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