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JJM on Wed July 04, 2012 2:16 AM User is offline

Year: 2006
Make: BMW
Model: 530i

I think it's time to start hanging up my wrenches for good, since they're fast becoming useless anyway.

An associate of mine was dealing with a dying battery on a 2006 BMW 530i. Alternator was clearly charging after a boost, so I figure how difficult can it be to swap out a battery? I see it's in a compartment in the trunk below the spare, and R/R looks pretty straightforward, and I recommended going with an original BMW battery (odd size, venting, and so forth). Since this car has a lot of electronics I'm not too familiar with, I was figuring on keeping the electrical system powered with a second battery, to avoid losing memory on the PCM, iDrive, navigation, and all the other toys during the swap. Just to be safe, I text a friend who has a foreign repair shop equipped with lots OE level high-end scan tools, and he immediately called me back, telling me to run, not walk away from that thing.

I asked what's the big deal, it's just a battery change, and he told me the car needs to go to the dealer because the battery needs to be registered. I thought he was pulling my leg, but he further explained that by not registering the battery (which is over $200), the charging system - all electronically controlled - will charge the battery as if it were six years old, leading to battery damage and possible electrical malfunction and damage. The only way to ensure the charging system functions correctly with the new battery is for the dealer to register it, and his scan tools can't do it (he sends the work out to a local BMW dealer).

I thought this guy was losing it or was paranoid, so I do a little research online. He was neither losing it or paranoid, the battery does need to be registered and it can only be done by the dealer (though some online forums say there's no problem without registering).

I also asked if any other cars do this, like Mercedes, and was told this only exclusive to BMW... started with the 7 series and worked its way down the model line.

I bounced this off my partner, and he reminded me of an X5 that went to the auction and subsequently went into arbitration, and we got stuck with a $500 battery bill too (I thought there was other stuff done).

Other than keeping the cash registers ringing at BMW dealership service departments, can someone please explain what possible benefit there is to having the charging system controlled by onboard computers that register and maintain the age of a battery? Is that really going to make the car perform better or faster? What was wrong with old fashioned voltage regulators that worked for the better part of a century??? What kind of engineers are there in Germany that sit around and come up with stuff like this??? So much for the "master" race. (Disclosure: I'm part German)

In any event, the guy goes to BMW and get's hammered to the tune of over $500 for a battery replacement. Because of this, I would never, ever, buy a BMW. Or maybe it's just time to hang up my wrenches.

Joe

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NickD on Wed July 04, 2012 7:11 AM User is offline

04 Cavalier battery finally gave up after eight years, shopped around town and couldn't even find one close to it without modifications, so went to my Chevy dealer. We danced around and joked a bit, but finally agreed to sell me an identical replacement at the current going rate, which is around 95 bucks now. But with Chevy, within a 40 mile radius of my home, have over a dozen different Chevy dealers to deal with. Least some competition.

Don't have that with Toyota, Nissan, and Honda, a darn good reason not to buy those anymore, just a couple of dealers in a hundred mile radius and really love to cream you. Found myself driving down to Milwaukee to get some decent prices. Your story on German made cars is not new to me, can go back over 40 years on this issue, if you want to brag you are driving a BMW, have to pay for it. Had associates that had to wait over three months just to get parts. All cars are crap, they all break down, never was the least bit interested in driving one of these for this exact reason.

If it wasn't for the internet would have gotten rid of my 88 Supra a long time ago, but have to wait for parts. Local dealer wanted 450 bucks for a fuel pump, got the same one off the internet for a hundred bucks.

Questioning my new Cruze, may only keep it three years, had a power steering rack code I couldn't read with my OBD II scanner, GM switched to generation three now, links to the GM headquarters someplace, and uses some kind of a WiFi coupling and also requires special software to program it. New rack went after 4K miles, but they replaced it under warranty and did a very good job at it. After warranty, I would be dead or screwed to the wall. So the Germans are not the only ones.

Even driving old clunkers is getting to be extremely expensive, you need at least two, preferably three, so you can always depend on one for transportation. Others, have to wait for parts or the time to repair them. But even though you are one individual, state and insurance companies treat those as three separate vehicles and nail you to the wall with registration and insurance rates.

No matter which way you turn, they have brains to squeeze the last cent out of you. This is not the same country I was born and raised in. IRS is trying to figure out how to tax you now for doing your own work.

2005Equinox on Wed July 11, 2012 1:12 AM User is offline

I'll stick with my GM products. Though I understand even some of them have the battery in the back. Mine all(Even the 2008 Impala) are still in front where God intended them to be. $80 or so later I am good to go.


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joe_mn on Wed July 11, 2012 10:18 AM User is offline

Very broad topic. A new 50k BMW is awesome. Put aside the fact any car will break down and the price of parts. It has a dozen computers, nav system, integrated computer monitoring systems and so on. You did find that you can probably replace battery but monitoring system will not like the power interruption and may be annoyed. Ok, that's electrical/technical stuff. The comments about American vs foreign cars and fwd vs rwd and reliability issues are other topics. The car is complex. Has many advanced features. Maybe too many for simple motoring.

JJM on Fri July 13, 2012 12:22 AM User is offline

I really haven't found the $50K BMW's all that awesome; the $90K 750iL is, however, pretty awesome! But the S550 is also awesome, and it doesn't need to be taken to the dealer for a battery change.

There are plenty of other cars that have advanced systems - the S550 as I mentioned has just as many if not more - but none of then need to have a battery registered. My '05 Caddy has plenty of electronics, some 20+ different modules that communicate via serial bus, from navigation, to road sensing suspension, to stability control, to Onstar, to XM, to memory seats and mirrors... the list goes on, and to change the battery all I need to do is pop the rear seat, put in the $150 battery, and hook up the vents and done. I see no purpose to "registering" a battery whatsoever, other than to provide a revenue stream to dealer service departments. A more advanced charging system will not make the car go any faster, or handle any better.

Joe

Karl Hofmann on Thu July 26, 2012 4:00 AM User is offlineView users profile

Hmm The battery coding thing is a new one to me, perhaps it doesn't need to be done on UK spec cars.... Sadly the quality of BMWs and all German cars is in the toilet as they have fitted more junk to their cars to pander to the customers demand for mor power and the tree huggers demand for less carbon dioxide and the EUs demand for more tax money to fit a sticking plaster onto the hole in the EU Titanic.... My little Lexus IS200 is the last car that I can work on myself and to be honst no one makes a car that I would swap it for I see nothing awesom in any Beemer or Merc other than overcomplication.... I fear for the poor buggers who end up buying these overcomplicated boxes of garbage on the second hand market, they have just been able to buy their dream car and now find it is a money pit.

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NickD on Thu July 26, 2012 8:18 AM User is offline

According to the owners manual, should be able to rotate the tires myself if I can follow the ambiguous instructions in the owners manual to reset the tire monitoring system. But some guys I know that tried it had to take it to their dealer to hook their cars via a WiFi kind of link to the GM website they won't let you use to straighten things out.

Another trick is to in progression, let all the air out of the tires in sequence until the horn beeps for each one, but then you have to remember to refill the tires. Passed a law that all cars need a tire monitoring system, but never passed a law where all four buck a gallon gas stations supply air. Can only find a couple in town where it costs about 50 cents per one psi.

Annoying when I get in, Your OnStar free trial is expired and you are putting your life in danger by driving, just hit the blue button and give us your credit card number and you will be safe.

Equally annoying is XM radio, no XM buttons on my radio, squeeze in on the band switch to hear a song, give us your credit card number, give us your credit card number...

Strange I wasn't getting any misfire codes, really rotten on acceleration, talking about a 1.4L turbo 2012 Cruze. I pulled the coil pack, springs inside the boots were too short, stretched those out for good spark plug contact. Pulled the plugs, but dumped those, NGK copied that stupid Bosch thin electrode design. Put in double platinum Autolites. NGK's were not even properly gapped, my plugs are. Car takes off like a rocket now. Still have a way to go where a computer can replace a human brain.

powerflite on Thu July 26, 2012 1:16 PM User is offline

I just found out recently that VW, Ford, and others are installing "noise pipes" on some models to try and make them more exciting to drive. What is a noise pipe you ask? It is a tube intended to connect the air intake to the cabin for the sole purpose of letting the driver hear some "high performance" engine sounds. A valve opens at throttle to activate the "excitement". But wait, it gets better. Now there is also a device bolted to the firewall to electronically transmit the noise via the stereo system. What a load of crap. Who buys this stuff anyway?
Am I alone in my sentiments?

buickwagon on Fri July 27, 2012 6:39 AM User is offline

Hey, I like that idea: pipe the noise direct to the driver, instead of installing a really loud exhaust system so everybody else has to listen to it too. Now, only one further refinement is required: instead of piping it from the air intake, connect the pipe inlet to the other end of the airflow...

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Karl Hofmann on Fri July 27, 2012 2:06 PM User is offlineView users profile

Beemers have had valves in their exhausts for a while now, the idea is when driving gently to make the car quiet and relaxed but when you open the taps and want to drive with a bit more gusto then the exhaust note becomes louder and more aggressive... The logic is beyond me too it is just another gizmo to go wrong but it is what idiot customers want... A slight engine note is fed through the speakers on some electric or hybrid cars to reassure drivers that they haven't stalled the engine at traffic lights..

I did check about the coded battery thing and in the UK batteries are perfectly normal but if the battery has been off then some cars need recoding to make stuff like the lights, wipers and other ancillaries work properly... Just a thing to get you into the dealer though most garages here have the gear to sort this stuff out

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JJM on Sat July 28, 2012 4:23 PM User is offline

This is absolutely the most retarded thing I ever heard. Has this whole damn world gone totally mad?

It wasn't that long ago when a smooth and quiet ride was an indication of mechanical refinement - as it should be - the better the car, the smoother and quieter it was. Remember those Ford and Lincoln/Mercury commercials with where the jeweler cuts an expensive diamond in the back while traveling over a bumpy road? Now the supposedly "good" cars ride so stiff if you run over an ant, you can feel its skeleton crack, while road and engine noise is considered something of a symphony. Are cars now designed as if the roads are made of glass?

And it's NOT age creeping in either - I've ALWAYS like large, quiet, smooth riding vehicles even as a kid. When did lower engineering standards become such a virtue? Even my '05 Caddy DTS is disturbingly noisy compared to Cadillac's of the past, so much so that my wife's '01 Camry XLE at less than half the cost is quieter. At 75 MPH and over, the Caddy sounds like those crappy Civic's with the fart cans on the exhaust.

Speaking of lower engineering standards, anyone notice V-8 engines seem to be becoming a thing of the past - unless you go for a truck or fork over north of $60,000? Lincoln used to make such large, beautiful cars, now look at their lineup... with exception of the Navigator, they're all a bunch of mid-size V-6 look alike copies with silly model lettering that makes no sense. It seems now the definition of luxury car is small, mediocre engines, but lots and lots of techo-gadgetry. Ditto for Cadillac... the new XTS is a joke as their model for the "standard of the world." Standard of the world with a V-6 engine from their entry CTS??? Are you kidding me??? I guess if I need a new car with a V-8 it'll have to be the Lexus LS460 or Mercedes S550.

But now I've heard everything... piping noise into the passenger cabin... might as well go back to driving Model T's. When did the American people become so stupid/brainwashed?

Joe

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Karl Hofmann on Sun August 19, 2012 3:56 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: JJM
This is absolutely the most retarded thing I ever heard. Has this whole damn world gone totally mad?

But now I've heard everything... piping noise into the passenger cabin... might as well go back to driving Model T's. When did the American people become so stupid/brainwashed?





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It's not just the American people who have become dumb, the Europeans have too.... It started when we all stopped making stuff, when Bill, Dave and Pete stopped getting up in the morning to clock on at the Smogworks to build Widgets... Now folk all log on in air conditioned offices to press buttons to move numbers around...If they have a job. Sadly over here our politicians control very little any more, 75% of our laws, rules and regulations come from the EU in Brussles, a more corrupt and sick establishment you will never find... Over the years they have tightened their grip over every European country trying to form a new centrally controlled Soviet blok, doing their best to irradicate small businesses in favour of huge mega corporations such as Bosch, BMW, BASF, Renault and VAG... Corporations who have the resources to impliment the mad environmental policies and can pass them on the the end user...... Sadly the bulk of British industry has been quite small and has not been able to comply with the mad rules and has either outsourced to China or has simply closed down.

Fortunately folk across the EUSSR are starting to realise what they have lost and that powers now need to be returned to National governments and the EU/ Eurozone dismantled before they cause a new European war....Shit!... it takes us years and millionds of pounds Sterling to get rid of a terrorist such as Abu Hamza but cannot protect a citizen of the Commonwealth such as Juian Assange... EU rules and regs.

If you have a little time on your hands, our Nigel is alway quite entertaining.......

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Edited: Sun August 19, 2012 at 4:38 AM by Karl Hofmann

bohica2xo on Mon August 20, 2012 3:38 AM User is offline

Actually the brits started the piped in noise about a decade ago.

I think it was Aston that installed a diaphram in the firewall to bring specific engine bay noise in to the cabin.

I think the Porsche owners are missing out on the smell now. Perhaps a small exhaust tap before the catalyst could be plumbed to the passenger compartment?

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NickD on Mon August 20, 2012 7:47 AM User is offline

How can our government tell us with have to fight for freedom when they already control every single aspect of our lives?

In our case, its city, township, county, state, and federal, really the only thing they have in common is the right to tax, and tax they do. Enough said on this issue.

Karl Hofmann on Mon August 20, 2012 8:58 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: bohica2xo
Actually the brits started the piped in noise about a decade ago.



I think it was Aston that installed a diaphram in the firewall to bring specific engine bay noise in to the cabin.



I think the Porsche owners are missing out on the smell now. Perhaps a small exhaust tap before the catalyst could be plumbed to the passenger compartment?



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Ha! Another of our great mistakes.... To be honest though, this kind of shit on cars sell cars and stupid people love these silly toys so they can pay through the nose to fix them when they go wrong...

Folk laugh at me because I don't have a smart phone but my funny looking phone has survived being dropped from an upstares window and a 60 degree C wash when I left it in my pocket...

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Edited: Mon August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM by Karl Hofmann

bohica2xo on Tue August 21, 2012 3:06 AM User is offline

Karl:

I used to argue with 911 owners who could not understand the new clutch disc any time the engine was out of the car. Pay 1200 bucks for a tune-up, then bitch about a 31 dollar disc. So I quit doing them that favor.

I thought the Aston approach was novel, given the govt. mandated noise limits vs the "sports car" image. I never figured it would go so far past that passive solution.

"Smart Phone" ? I don't even have a cell phone. Being nearly deaf can be an advantage... From the smart phone users I encounter I think the phone sucked the smarts right out of most of them.

B.

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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
~ Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, M. K. Gandhi, page 446.

NickD on Tue August 21, 2012 8:46 AM User is offline

Since my wife and stepdaughter wanted smart phones, was cheaper if we joined the family plan and I get one too. Can't even operate the darn thing with one hand with that touch screen.

It does have GPS, but with the screen on, only good for about two hours with a fresh battery. With that dead, its worthless, can't even make a call on it.

JJM on Sun August 26, 2012 9:57 PM User is offline

I gotta admit I do have a smartphone, and you'll probably be even more surprised that it's an iPhone 4. But it's is the best phone I've ever owned, loads of tools that come in very handy, and it just works flawlessly. I'd be lost without it now. I use it to control my lights, PC's, cameras, DVR, and some entertainment equipment. I can even use it as touch pad for my PC's. It's also not too bad to service either, unlike an iPod (especially) or iPad, which you might as well toss if something breaks.

And heck, there's probably an app for the phone to make car noises too, avoiding all that additional hardware.

Joe

NickD on Mon August 27, 2012 7:51 AM User is offline

I have a Motorola Electrify that Google took over, has google and Firefox on it. One application is Torque, works on my 04 Cavalier with an Elm 327 for reading all codes, but having problems with my new Cruze with generation three. Hoping for an upgrade, shows all engine parameters, even Turbo boost.

One heck of an MP3 player, did add a 32GB micro SD chip to it, also has an FM radio, good sound with ear phones. Has GPS, normally don't use it in the car, but handy when walking in downtown Chicago to find an address and the shortest way to walk there. Also good in the woods or on a lake. Identical to google maps, even good on a plane to show you were you are. Has HD video and a camera with auto focusing.

Works anywhere for free with WiFi available, can watch Netflix movies on it. Has Bluetooth for hands off calling in my Cruze, 70 buck fine for holding a cell phone in my town. Can plug in a sim chip, works in the UK, Venezuela, and Colombia so far. Have Freecell on it, keeps me entertained while waiting for an appointment at a doctors office.

Got it for 150 bucks without a contract, can't even buy an MP3 player for that price, really not into video games, but sure has a bunch of applications for that. Calculator, alarm clock, calendar, finding an address with google, text messaging, weather, stock reports, etc.

Only thing is, my 3 year old granddaughter is far more adept at using it than I am.

Oh, can also make calls on it.

iceman2555 on Mon August 27, 2012 9:47 AM User is offlineView users profile

To add insult to injury...we can also thank the EU for our 'new' refrigerant. The introduction of HFO1234yf is a direct result of changes in the mandated auto manufacturing in the EU market. The change of requirements for refrigerant specifications is no affecting us on this side of the pond. Thank you, EU for our new $65.00/lb refrigerant, our new (required) $8000.00 Recovery machines. Although this price of the machines will 'go down' when production of the machines begins and other mfger's began to market their machines.
But no mention of the price of the refrigerant 'going down', in fact it is quite possible this may cost may increase....seems there is already a 'world shortage' of this stuff. The only thing 'green' about the 'green movement' is the color of OUR money these fools spend.
Do a bit of research on the new GREEN fuel being required for our military. Jet A fuel cost currently $4.75 to $6.50 (depends upon location) commercial, militray cost app $3.85/gal. This new GREEN fuel, when they can actually produce it is approximately $65.00/gal. The serious down side, the new fuel is being mandated for use by our miltary. Get ready for another 'BEND OVER AND NOT EVEN A GOOD REACH AROUND !!!!!'
Saw some very nice 'fix'er-uppers' during a visit to Nova Scotia recently.....but hell the cost of a Coke was over $2.00 CA. But fear not the 'gov-mint' will take care of all our needs.....free food...free medical care....pay my mortage....furnish a cell phone.....and keep all things equal.....heck my neighbor just drove home a new Corvette....where the hell is mine....gonna call the 'MAN' today....got a pretty red one all picked out.....
But I apologize...I have regressed...should not be discussing this on this post....please forgive the ramblings of an old tech who has sniffed too much freon over the years.....
Ya'll have fun today.

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bohica2xo on Tue August 28, 2012 2:33 AM User is offline

Well given that the 1234YF has flammability limits very close to propane, I see a lot of HC's for sale in the future marked "HC1234YF" The joke will be on them.

Since they claim the 1234YF rated evaporator is safe with flammable refrigerant it will be hard to articulate a hazard. Especially when the 1234YF can decompose to Hydrofluoric Acid under some conditions. HF is nothing to play with.

Going to be some great watching the next few years.

B.

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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
~ Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, M. K. Gandhi, page 446.

NickD on Tue August 28, 2012 12:32 PM User is offline

Guess what?

From http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/7ebdf4d0b217978b852573590040443a/c0ac698686024b0285257845005cee61!OpenDocument

" EPA Approves New Coolant for Car Air Conditioning Systems / Better climate protection without harming the ozone layer

Release Date: 02/28/2011
Contact Information: Cathy Milbourn, Milbourn.cathy@epa.gov, 202-564-7849, 202-564-4355

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has issued final approval for a new refrigerant for use in motor vehicle air conditioning systems that does not deplete the ozone layer, which helps protect the environment and people’s health. The new chemical, HFO-1234yf, may now be used in air conditioning for new cars and light trucks. When used appropriately, this chemical can reduce the environmental impact of motor vehicle air conditioners and has a global warming potential that is 99.7 percent less than the current chemical (HFC–134a) used in most car air conditioners.

“This new chemical helps fight climate change and ozone depletion," said Gina McCarthy, assistant administrator for EPA’s Office of Air and Radiation. "It is homegrown innovative solutions like this that save lives and strengthen our economy."

EPA assists in the transition to green technologies by identifying alternatives that are better for people’s health and the environment. EPA’s recent standards for reducing greenhouse gas emissions from light-duty motor vehicles provide an opportunity for automakers to receive credit for adopting a chemical with less climate impact as a cost-effective way to meet the new standards. Using HFO-1234yf is one option available to automakers.

Prior to HFC-134a, car air conditioners generally used CFC-12, a potent greenhouse gas and ozone-depleting substance. Depleting the stratospheric ozone layer leads to higher levels of ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching the Earth's surface. UV radiation has several harmful effects, including skin cancer, cataracts, immune system suppression, and premature aging and wrinkling of the skin. For these reasons, it is important to check the UV Index and remember sun safety: wear hats, sunglasses, and sunscreen."

Last I heard, they were still kicking around HFO-1234yf, proving the EPA are bigger hypocrites than ever. CFC's were always a theory that even NASA backed off from, now a fact according to these idiots.

Wife and I are enjoying watching "24" on Netflix, commercial free with all 192 episodes about corruption, not only in all the agencies, but in the highest office as well. Wondering if this is fact or fiction. But what we read and see on the news, leaning toward fact.

JJM on Wed August 29, 2012 12:07 AM User is offline

Ice, what are you apologizing for? I thank you for the heads up! I knew this HFO1234yf was coming, I just didn't know it was coming NOW. More people SHOULD be outraged over stuff like this, because it is an outrage.

And Bohica, I had no idea this stuff was flammable too, nor the decomposition issues. I guess we're going to see a lot more blown apart interiors, which I guess is okay when you're saving the planet.

Imagine how expensive HFO1234yf is going to get once the government decides it's harming the environment (and they will eventually like everything else) and they tax it like they did with R-12. Let's see... R-12 went from about $1.50 to $40 a pound, or a multiple of 26. So if HFO1234yr is $60 a pound right now, we're looking at $1,560 a pound. Yeah, I'm sure the single mom will be happy to pay for a couple of pounds of that to save the planet.

Amazing how the left in this country claims to care about the plight of the poor and underprivileged, yet everything, and I mean everything, they do winds up screwing them over many fold. And these idiots keep voting for them.

Joe


NickD on Wed August 29, 2012 8:11 AM User is offline

Guess what we need is a refrigerantless AC system, EPA has a bug up their ass on refrigerants. Over 95% of CFC production was for other applications other than refrigeration. Getting rid of that was not enough for them.

Still have the original charge in my R-22 Made in the USA system. This crap coming from China now is leaking like crazy, still no standards from the EPA for manufacturing, assholes don't blame that, they blame the refrigerant. Then they approve alternate refrigerants, not based on compatibility nor performance, but on whatever they think is safe with absolutely no proof or test.

Key is learning how to survive when we have a country led by idiots. They sure know how to tax, and exactly where is that money going to? Sure isn't being returned to us for services they claim to be offering.

bohica2xo on Thu August 30, 2012 2:04 AM User is offline

Joe:

It is right here in the info sheet Posted at the EPA website.

Notice the warning about it being heavier than air, and pooling in service pits? The part about no smoking during service? The listing of the flammability limits between 6% & 12% ?

They claim the SAE J2842 spec evaporator is upgraded to make the flammable refrigerant safe. How can you tell an HC user that it is not safe with HC's?

C3, H2, F4 Tetrafluoropropene.

I wonder what the lubricant is? No specs can I find...

B.



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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
~ Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography, M. K. Gandhi, page 446.

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