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Unbelievable Claims, Part II

steve325is on Tue June 21, 2005 1:34 PM User is offline

What the heck is Maxi-Frig? I heard about it on another message board, but couldn't find any info on what it is. They claim all the usual B.S., replaces R12 and R134, blah, blah, blah. They claim lower pressures, and that it is compatible with all types of oil, so that sounds like HC to me.

It is amazing to see what people will buy to avoid using R12 and the mess they make of their systems if they follow some of these manufacturers' instructions.

If P.T. Barnum was alive today, I firmly believe that he would be in the alternative refrigerant business......

Steve

k5guy on Tue June 21, 2005 6:26 PM User is offline

Maxi-Frig cannot be legally sold as a replacement for R12. Buried in the technical data page, Maxi-frig states this on thier web site. http://www.maxifrig.com/moreinfo.html

"EPA'a Final Rule, published April 1, 1994 states:
In this final rule, the Agency has determined that second-generation replacements, if they are non-ozone depleting and are replacing non-ozone depleting first generation alternatives, are exempt from reporting requirements under section 612."

Whats this means is that you can use it to replace R134a. Thats not how they are marketing this product. The EPA states in the Federal Register in 2000, http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2000/December/Day-18/a32150.htm

"II. Request for Information on Refrigerants for Motor Vehicle Air
Conditioners

EPA requests information on the refrigerants Enviro-Safe, Red Tek, Maxi-Frig, ES-12A, and Auto Cool. EPA has received numerous inquiries regarding the SNAP acceptability of the above refrigerants for use in motor vehicle air conditioners (MVACs). Materials disseminated through mailings and the internet (Air Docket A-91-42, item IX-B-60) have made consumers question whether the products listed above are acceptable substitutes under the SNAP program for CFC-12 (R12 or freon) and other ozone-depleting CFC-12 substitutes. Under Section 612(e) of the CAA, any person who produces a substitute for a CFC is required to submit information to EPA at least 90 days before the substitute is introduced into interstate commerce. The refrigerants listed above have not been submitted to EPA for review under the SNAP program. Therefore, the Agency believes that they cannot be sold as replacements for CFC-12 or other ozone-depleting CFC substitutes in MVACs.ft>"

What all this means is that the EPA thinks Maxi-Frig is a HC. You still have to do a normal retrofit if you want to use it in place of R12, and that the EPA is questioning the legal status of Maxi-Frig. I'm sure glad I don't use that stuff.


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TRB on Tue June 21, 2005 6:30 PM User is offlineView users profile

Just another HC refrigerant!!!!

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k5guy on Tue June 21, 2005 6:52 PM User is offline

Curious is how silent Maxi-Frig is on the composition of the product. Its not like someone with a decent lab couldn't figure it out.

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bohica2xo on Tue June 21, 2005 8:15 PM User is offline

So, if you are "MaxiFrigging" a car, are you doing what it sounds like?




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Karl Hofmann on Wed June 22, 2005 3:20 AM User is offlineView users profile

LOL I woud say that the public would prefer you to do it in the privacy of your own garage, and to take photos would be really sick!

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sirlothart on Thu June 30, 2011 8:24 AM User is offline

Here it is 6 years later and Maxi Frig is still around and working great. I never had any problems with the product. The sealer works great too !

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TRB on Thu June 30, 2011 10:54 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: sirlothart
Here it is 6 years later and Maxi Frig is still around and working great. I never had any problems with the product. The sealer works great too !

Yep that sealer stuff has worked so well. I want a sales rep to be here when the next customer gets the news their evap core is plugged shut and it's going to be 4 hours labor to pull it.



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HECAT on Thu June 30, 2011 12:30 PM User is offline

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Originally posted by: sirlothart
Here it is 6 years later and Maxi Frig is still around and working great. I never had any problems with the product. The sealer works great too !

Yup, all the magic stuff on that isle works so well, one will never need a professional mechanic or pay for a major repair. Sawdust in a rear gear works also. A little brake fluid in the trans will stop the leaks also. Propane and Butane work as refrigerants. Many of these products are just commercialized used car sales tricks and although they do sometimes work; they are not part of a professional recommended and proper solution.

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bohica2xo on Thu June 30, 2011 5:01 PM User is offline

Yep. Just watched my neighbor maxi/super/hyper - FRIG his vehicle.

Mopar Minivan. Had a tired compressor, with an oil stripe underhood. Been topped up a few times... I told him how to "do it right, do it once". He replaced the compressor, condensor, dryer & hose set. Bought sleazebay crap parts, but it all went together ok. Ran for a couple weeks, then "low". Uh huh. Told him it was most likely the famous evaporator leak, and to look for the dye I told him to put in the system when he repaired it. Confirmed an evaporator leak.

I offered him the FSM data to R&R the evap. Even told him I would evac & charge it for him...

Genius decided that since everything else was brand new, all he needed was to seal the leak in the evaporator. Read some online minivan poverty forum, and decided on SuperSeal, because the jokers said it worked. "Can says it will seal metal".

Of course, it did slow down the leak. So a second can should fix it completely right?

Now he can do a TSR, because the frigging A/C system is totally FRIGGED UP. Looks like a local shop will make the rent on his stupidity this month. His wife is pissed off that he could not fix it, and when she found out the pile of parts he put in are all junk from his actions she was not impressed - it will be "done by a pro this time".

Thank you chain stores & snake oil for the economic stimulus.

B.

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TRB on Thu June 30, 2011 11:36 PM User is offlineView users profile

Brad I got chewed a new one the other day for suggesting a proper repair. At times I think why do I even bother. You know Mr. Ebay or the guy behind the chain store is simply running the bar code and handing out change.

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JJM on Fri July 01, 2011 9:15 PM User is offline

HECAT is right... there really isn't much need for repairs to be performed in accordance with proper factory procedures and best practices. I'm sure we can find claims that urine and feces fixes check engine lights, stops power steering leaks, eliminates wheel alignments, and who knows what else. This is why I would never buy a used car... who knows how badly molested it was.

I remember when my partner was involved with a cars for cash business a number of years ago. An old Subaru station wagon came in, smoking up a storm. My partner really didn't want to take in this POS - especially not for the $500 the owner was looking for - but his partner said to give the poor guy the money (guy had a real hard luck story) and bring car around back. The whole warehouse filled with smoke from this thing. Partners argue, and the other partner comes out of the office with a couple of tubes of radiator sealer, cracks open the radiator, dumps the stuff in there, and starts the engine. After about 45 minutes the smoke is gone and the engine is running nice and smooth.

All good, car goes to the shape shop for a good detailing, gets loaded on the truck for the auction, does $1,600 when the hammer drops - almost a triple after costs. Worst part is at the end of the auction, the young dealers who won the car were putting their dealer plates on it - that was gonna be their road car back home! Wonder if it ever made it, and worse, if it did, pity the poor sucker who bought it off their lot.

But yeah, the magic in a bottle worked, right? Just the kind of car I'd want to own.

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