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JJM on Fri September 09, 2005 1:36 PM User is offline

... the time has come to file RICO charges against environmental groups and start jailing their members before more people are killed. Bad enough some 2,700 Americans were killed when the World Trade Center collapsed because environmental regulations prevented the PA from using asbestos for fireproofing material. Now we find out environmental groups, specifically Save Our Wetlands www.saveourwetlands.org/history.html thwarted the Amry Corp of Engineers at every step of the way for projects which likely would've prevented the current disaster in New Orleans.

So all you folks that claim Bush cut funding for New Orleans levee projects, what the heck good would any of it do when a bunch of stinkin' lawyers can derail progress, then the money just ends up being diverted to legal fees?

Just take a look at how proud this anti-American group is at stopping progress which would've saved lives and property:

FACT: While politicians talk, SOWL sues! SOWL has been involved in countless lawsuits involving Lake Ponchartrain on every subject....from the New Orleans Levee Board Airport Expansion Plan, Bucktown Marina Expansion Plan, New Orleans Mosquito Control Drainage schemes in wetlands of New Orleans East, Eden Isle Subdivision on the north shores of Lake Ponchartrain, Orlanda Subdivision, Corps of Engineers Hurricane Barrier Project, shell dredging in Lake Ponchartrain, Waterford Nuclear Plant...to the Marathon Oil Company canals in the wetlands of St. Charles and St. John the Baptist parishes.

FACT: SOWL SAVED LAKE PONCHARTRAIN - In 1977, SOWL obtained an injunction from U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz enjoining the Corps of Engineers from building a billion dollar dam at the Chef Mentaur Rigolets Fort Pike Area, where the Gulf of Mexico enters into Lake Ponchartrain. Had SOWL not obtained this injunction, Lake Ponchartrain would be a stagnant body of water and over 28,000 acres of wetlands in New Orleans East would have been developed into the Orlanda Subdivision.

FACT: SOWL has always fought bitterly against the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Since 1974, SOWL has consistently put pressure and exposed the Corps, New Orleans Division, for blatant and reckless issuance of permits that are ecologically disastrous. In 1975, SOWL filed documents in the United States District Court requesting that a special Grand Jury be formed to investigate the Corps of Engineers participation in federal criminal laws for permitting and abetting the illegal diking and damning of navigable bodies of water in Lake Ponchartrain resulting in the Eden Isles Subdivision and the destruction of 5,300 acres of a once vast wetland sanctuary.

FACT: SOWL has also filed a suit naming the same tract of land around Lake Pontchartrain in U. S. District Court, New Orleans, against the U. S. Corps of Engineers for issuing a permit to Tammany Holding Corporation to develop this tract without requiring an environmental impact study as required by the National Environmental Policy Act.

These FACTS are direct from the Save Our Wetlands website.

Apparently, I'm not the only one who realizes this. An article in the LA Times points out the lunacy of all of this:

"... The project was stopped on Dec. 30, 1977, by U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz Jr., who said the corps' environmental impact statement had failed to satisfy federal environmental laws... Schwartz ruled that the region "would be irreparably harmed" if the barrier project was allowed to continue. He chastised the Army for its inadequate environmental impact statement, which was based in part on a single biologist who never submitted a written report."

Oh yeah, like the region wasn't irreparably harmed now. Dumba_ses!

Now it's clear why Democrats are pointing fingers at Bush -- anything to deflect attention from the very problems THEY created themselves.

Once again, I am proven RIGHT (as always) when it comes to my vehement opposition to environmental laws and regulations. Question is, when will the rest of America open their eyes.

Joe

Karl Hofmann on Fri September 09, 2005 2:34 PM User is offlineView users profile

Got to ask, why was the Army carrying out this project?

I know from experience that the British Army engineers are very good at what they do, but what they do is functional and gives little to appearance or impact upon the environment, I would guess that the US Army engineers do likewise, good in an emergency, but not so good when folk have to live there, you may like to live in a concrete bunker, but there are some who prefer quality of life. As I see it the defenses could and should have been upgraded long ago, but could have been done that would have been in a way that would have been environmentally sensitive. No one wanted or cared to deal with it and the result is what we have seen.

I'm curious to know just how asbestos would have saved the WTC, the impact of the aircraft would have removed the asbestos protection just as it did the fire protection that was in place, once the fire protection, asbestos or otherwise was removed, then the fate of the towers was sealed as the steelwork was exposed.

The people who were killed by the hurricane died because nobody cared about them and nobody wanted to spend money on their welfare, the same people who didn't care then pointed to the looters and troublemakers and then attempt to exonerate themselves by saying "See they are not worth saving"

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NickD on Fri September 09, 2005 3:05 PM User is offline

It's my understanding that 300 years ago when the French first built New Orleans, it was a safe place to live. Was not beach property but protected by a series of forest filled barrier islands. New Orleans was also above sea level. Over time the levee system was built as a means of expansion that resulted in sediment rich waters from the Mississippi river no longer filling the low lands but going out to sea and actually washing away the barrier islands and depleting New Orleans of it earth as well. Plans back in the 90's was to build dams and tunnels to reroute the sediment to restore the islands and even plant a tree or two. The cost of this project would be what we are spending one month in Iraq.

I am not in a position to get into the political end of why this was never done, but a stitch in time saves nine sure comes in effect. Also not sure exactly who these environmentalists are, but they are not environmentalists, you have to find a different word to describe them. How about dirty rotten crooked would shoot their own mother for a buck bastards?

TRB on Fri September 09, 2005 3:20 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: NickD
Also not sure exactly who these environmentalists are, but they are not environmentalists, you have to find a different word to describe them. How about dirty rotten crooked would shoot their own mother for a buck bastards?

Liberals works for me!



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NickD on Fri September 09, 2005 3:46 PM User is offline

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Liberals works for me!

LOL, I was under the impression that liberals they way the politicians use this word, didn't worked for anybody. But they are parasites that live off the work of others. So can we just call these so-called environmental group, parasites? That they indeed are, using subtle phrases in the wording of the law to make themselves rich. The scoundrels! One of these days, the word "attorney" will be considered a dirty word not to be used in the presence of children.

Karl Hofmann on Fri September 09, 2005 4:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

LOL So the Liberals fight the Conservatives and the Conservatives fight the Liberals all while the people drown.

Talk about Ceaser playing violin whilst Rome burns

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TRB on Fri September 09, 2005 4:24 PM User is offlineView users profile

Plain and simple I want to know is why the local and state government did nothing for their people? Their liberal mind set of waiting for some else to do for them comes to mind!

Mom just told me two of her neighbors kids went through their closet for nice warm clothes to give to the Salvation Army. When they dropped off these clothes they were told they were not needed since they were used items. Moral of the story, if you are down on your luck in New Orleans new is all that will do!

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meaux on Fri September 09, 2005 4:57 PM User is offlineView users profile

Nick says, "How about dirty rotten crooked would shoot their own mother for a buck bastards?"

Dang Nick, quit sugarcoatin, and tell us what you really think!!!! :-)

Isn't it funny that Liberals don't like to be called "Liberals"?

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Karl Hofmann on Fri September 09, 2005 5:11 PM User is offlineView users profile

Liberal

1 Abundant, 2 Giving freely; generous 3 Open-minded 4 Not rigorous 5 (Of studies) for general broadening of mind 6 (Politics) favouring moderate reform.

As found in the Oxford Compact Dictionary

I guess that the word has a totally different meaning in the US

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TRB on Fri September 09, 2005 5:18 PM User is offlineView users profile

Liberal

1 Abundant "With others items", 2 Giving freely "With others money"; generous "Same as 1 & 2" 3 Open-minded "Sure Hillary and Ted are open minded" 4 Not rigorous "Lazy" 5 (Of studies) for general broadening of mind "One Sided View" 6 (Politics) favouring moderate reform "More like radical View".

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Chick on Fri September 09, 2005 6:11 PM User is offlineView users profile

Here we go again.....

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NickD on Fri September 09, 2005 8:55 PM User is offline

Yep, here we go again.

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Giving freely "With others money"; generous

Since the present president and congress appropriated 60 billion dollars to rebuild New Orleans with an assumption, that was not their money, I gather from that definition that we have a liberal president and congress. It is speculated that this sum will rise to over 100 billion.

Now I didn't say this was neither good nor bad, strictly a definition of terms. Nowhere can I find a political definition of the words liberal or conservative, but the democrats don't have any good ideas and the republicans love to spend our money.

Was Clinton a liberal? I don't feel so, feel he is a crook that took illegal money from the Chinese and sold our country short, also a sex starved guy with a wife that won't fulfilled his desires.

Bigchris on Sat September 10, 2005 1:19 AM User is offline

Nick,I think you've gotten a little ahead of the government (not hard to do these days). The 60 billion was not for reconstruction, but simply disaster relief. FEMA has been going through 500 million a day not giving out debit cards and not allowing firefighters and other volunteers into the city and not collecting the dead - I'm sure you follow. Meanwhile the State Dept has been keeping millions of dollars and hundreds of tons of donated relief supplies sitting in airports around the world because they "need to precisely match what is offered with specific needs" here in the US. Add to that the chartering of cruise ships and airplanes for people to go all over the country and you can see how disaster relief costs could mount up.

People around the world are aghast at America's inability to cope with a domestic emergency that had been foreseen for decades and had been intensively modeled by LSU and FEMA just two years ago. Terrorists must be rubbing their hands in glee as they contemplate our obvious vulnerability. New Orleans is a world renown city despite its seamy underside, and I expect the majority of americans and much of the world expect it to be restored - but only in a manner that will make it safe from future flooding. Indeed, it will be a matter of national pride to accomplish that with the whole world watching.

I have no doubt that can be done, but the real costs will be related to how much time and effort is wasted in Washington as the two parties try to damage each other and argue about who screwed up and how the city should be made safe and government's role in rebuilding and how many EPA studies and environmental studies etc, etc, are necessary. Over the last few days I've seen the overall cost estimates go from 100 to 150 to 200 billion. Meanwhile we've lost 400,000 jobs and transportation costs are threatening to strangle us and our economy. Is it time yet for the people to tell their government to can the BS and get to work solving the problems? God I hope so!

NickD on Sat September 10, 2005 6:51 AM User is offline

The words millions, billions, and trillions are not even in my vocabulary, especially when it comes to money. I do work with large numbers at times, but it is normally some factor times ten to either the sixth, ninth, or twelfth power. When it comes to money in costing out a product design, mileage, or calculating the cost per ounce at the grocery store, still dealing in a fraction of a cent. Ha, seems strange when doing my tax returns, can round off to the nearest buck.

We have all kinds of people working for the government including the military and they get paid whether they are doing anything or not, mostly, not. But when a war breaks out or a disaster occurs, suddenly, it's costing the taxpayer billions. Makes a guy wonder who is getting this money. Most charitable institutions I have encountered do not want my time, skills, nor talents, they just want my money. If they are using it to buy food or medical supplies, is someone making a huge profit in the sale of these items? Are they hiring brother-in-laws as overpaid consultants? The body count so far is 294, does this mean that full time with full medical expenses paid and a fantastic retirement program police and firemen get an extra $204,081,632.70 per body As pointed out, the victims aren't getting this money. Even in 9-11, since the government compensated the families of victims, the application forms from the United Way and Red Cross showed these people were already compensated.

My own experience with the Red Cross when I needed to get home due to a family death on emergency loan and needed a couple of bucks was to get a loan that would be paid back with 1% interested that with the miserable pay I was getting, couldn't even pay that back. All of my buddies chipped in a couple of bucks so I could get home. And man, what a huge staff of people the Red Cross had, all drawing I assume a fat paycheck.

So who is getting these billions of dollars? Ain't the victims.

Was a program on PBS what would happen if WI had this disaster, those of us that own homes and already paid the bank three times it's value in interest would want to be there to pick up sticks and save what we can, we can sympathized with the people in New Orleans that have their life tied up in whatever little possessions they may have. We already discussed that our soldiers in Iraq aren't getting anything, not even a decent bed to sleep on.

Still think about that $3.63 receipt I had from the grocery store when I was out of town that the IRS would not let me claim as a food expense because it wasn't from a restaurant, but my $300.00 buck an hour tax attorney was there and insisted I was entitled to take $35.00 per day for food expenses and that is what I got. While $300.00 an hour seems ridiculous, had to pay that or risk having my home auctioned off and kicked out on the street. Guess I just don't trust our government and that in itself is a crime.

Guess spending 500 milllion bucks a day just to learn if a victim can get a couple of bucks is par for the course.

meaux on Sat September 10, 2005 9:27 AM User is offlineView users profile

Well heck, here's mine,

Liberal:

1. Socialist......period.

BigChris says, "Is it time yet for the people to tell their government to can the BS and get to work solving the problems? God I hope so!"

Well so far all the loudest BS is comming from the Democrat Party, the very people that should be held accountable for these folks in New Orleans, that were victums before the Hurricaine and the Flood. Nagin, Blanco, Landru, and all the Socialists , with loud mouths doin all the Name Callin, pointing fingers of Blame at one man. Spineless Republicians that won't stand up and call these loudmouth jacka__es out.

I've never heard ONE SINGLE SOUR WORD, OR DEROGATORY NAME come out of President George W. Bushs' mouth against any of these people that call him names like "Hitler", and "Terrorist". He's praised Bubba, shown nothing but CLASS since he's been there. The Superdome a Concentration Camp? I'm waiting for the Abu-Grab comparison...Heck, Bubba Clinton complained that Rush Limbaugh gets to say whatever he wants 3 hrs. a day, and he can't counter that! What a Joke. He had the media 24hrs. a day...Funny, Rush wasn't saying what Bubba wanted to hear. As long as you're bashing Bush, you can say whatever you want, put the likes of McKinney, Jackson, Sharpton, and a whole host of BoZo's on TV, and the Media will let you make stuff up out of thin air! Nobody ever gets called on the most stupid of comments. I heard Jesse say "we need Healthcare, Jobs, Education" etc., same old 40 yr. old crap...why dosen't he ask the Democrats in Charge?

I have my problems with Bush, but when I step back and view both sides' behavior over the last few years, I wouldn't be caught dead in a line with the classless name callin clowns in the Democratic Party. I blame them for giving me "No Choice". I'm pissed that my tax dollars go to McKinney and the others Income, and what makes it worse is to foot the bill paying their "Pensions" for the rest of their miserable lives, the very plan that they don't want the average working person to have...disgusting.

When are we going to demand the Democrats start acting like Adults?



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Edited: Sat September 10, 2005 at 9:42 AM by meaux

meaux on Sat September 10, 2005 9:51 AM User is offlineView users profile

Back to the subject...I went to the gas station last night and expected to pay $4 per gallon, but lo and behold...$2.56!

Could it be that the EPA lifting the "formulas" for different states and counties, allowing gasoline to be sold and transported across state lines, lower the price? WELL DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRASH THE FORMULA CRAP!!!!!!!!!

DON'T YOU THINK THAT FACT SHOULD BE ON THE NEWS?

Will Bush get credit when the price goes down? I'm not holding my breath.............

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Bigchris on Sat September 10, 2005 9:57 AM User is offline

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When are we going to demand the Democrats start acting like Adults?

You're preaching to choir Meux. Write to your state's senators and congressman and tell them you're paying them to write laws, not sit around arguing over who did or did not do what. Tell them to appoint an independent commission to find the facts and make recommendations so the government can concentrate on what it is being overpaid to do. Remind them that we will decide in the next election whether this government served the country in this crisis or whether they served themselves, and we won't decide on the basis of what they said, but what they did.

meaux on Sat September 10, 2005 10:43 AM User is offlineView users profile

Heck, I live in a "RED" state that used to be a "BLUE" State...Isn't it funny, and it was no accident, the Media gave Republician States the color RED? RED reminds me of a Sociaist State...but look who the Socialists are.

They also called Saddam's Guard, the Republician Guard, trying to shine a bad light on the word "Republician".

I think Ronald Reagan once said, "The most feared 9 words in America is, "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help".



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gregg on Sat September 10, 2005 11:12 AM User is offline

At first I thought post from JJM was very anti SOWL....then the more and more I read I wasnt sure....
for example following quote.....

Had SOWL not obtained this injunction, Lake Ponchartrain would be a stagnant body of water and over 28,000 acres of wetlands in New Orleans East would have been developed into the Orlanda Subdivision.
Having trouble with why we would want Lake P to be a stagnant body of water....

FACT: SOWL has always fought bitterly against the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Since 1974, SOWL has consistently put pressure and exposed the Corps, New Orleans Division, for blatant and reckless issuance of permits that are ecologically disastrous.........should pressure be put on army corp
if theyre doing things ecologically disastrous?

"... The project was stopped on Dec. 30, 1977, by U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz Jr., who said the corps' environmental impact statement had failed to satisfy federal environmental laws... Schwartz ruled that the region "would be irreparably harmed" if the barrier project was allowed to continue. He chastised the Army for its inadequate environmental impact statement, which was based in part on a single biologist who never submitted a written report."
Why did the Army Corp EIS fail to satisfy federal environmental laws?? why was the EIS inadequate?? Sounds like imcompetance on the part of the Army Corp to me....

Regarding the WTC collapse....most of the engineering stuff I read wasnt that the insulation was at fault but more of it was needed. US Dept of Commerce National Institute of Standards and Technologies....(NIST) ...say that 5 times fast....concluded fireproofing had blown off and staircases were not adequately reinforced..they used gypsum (sheetrock) to save weight and cost rather than reinforced concrete.

One of the reasons some engineers sited the north tower standing longer than south is the affected floors had there fireproofing partially upgraded. So it sounds like building codes/standards were improved after they were built....then I guess its up to the owners to upgrade it. I'm not sure how much of that stuff is grandfathered and how much is controlled by the Govt agency responsible to see upgrades are needed.

So your arguments about environmentalists causing WTC collapse and the New Orleans disaster doesnt hold any water with me....no pun intended. There have been many cases of our own government taking land or forcing folks not to drain water from land under the wetlands act.
Some of these environmental groups I agree are way out there but for the ones that really have legitimate causes, it it werent for them who would be keeping an eye on the incompetence running amok in most our government agencies who's job it is to look out for our well being?

In my opinion there has been very dangerous precident set in this country starting at the top with Mr. Bush and his bunch that anyone opposing his ideals and policies are "anti-American". We are heading in a very dangerous direction here, lets just shut up those commie liberals and not have any arguments about government policies and direction at all.

Im just plain and tired of paying the taxes I pay just to watch most of it get squandered for pork barrel projects and seeing just about any the government touches (ie airport security) which is a complete joke and barely better than before 911 but at 10 times the cost among many other things....
Air traffic control is another total mess!!

That cave on Montana looking better and better with each passing year.

meaux on Sat September 10, 2005 11:21 AM User is offlineView users profile

gregg says, " Mr. Bush and his bunch that anyone opposing his ideals and policies are "anti-American".

Funny, I don't think Mr. Bush or anybody else ever called the the oppsition "Anti-American", it's the Lefties that made this stuff up, and said they ("Bush and his bunch") were called that....just another example of makin stuff up.

Maybe you can direct me to the "quotes".

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gregg on Sat September 10, 2005 11:21 AM User is offline

Meux.....maybe we could solve the problem by changing the colors...

How about pink for democratic states

and green for republican states......I was glad to see Haliburton will get some more contracts in N.O.


meaux on Sat September 10, 2005 11:59 AM User is offlineView users profile

Naw, pink would suggest they are "soft", when in reality, they are a bunch of name callin pitbulls when any opportunity arises to blame something (real or not) on their enemies......yes, I know I just called them a "name", but I'm not an elected official...and I don't get a Government paycheck.....:-)

How many companys are capable to do what Halliburton does? Who would you have rebuild a city, Harry and Davids' Restorations? I think they ought to Bulldoze that place and move on...because it will happen again...It's BIG Money down the toilet, get ready for the most expensive "fraud" in American History....

Halliburton, Halliburton, the evil Halliburton.....same old song.....:-) Yes, VP Dick Cheney used to work for Halliburton, and Sen. Robert Byrd used to work for the KKK, funny the things we call evil today isn't it?

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Bigchris on Sat September 10, 2005 12:01 PM User is offline

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I was glad to see Haliburton will get some more contracts in N.O.
Me too! Their track record in Iraq with getting the power on and oil flowing demonstrates their proven ability to stay on the job as long as there is tax money to fund it. Mardi Gras in 2055 should be great!

JJM on Sat September 10, 2005 2:59 PM User is offline

Yes Karl, our US Army Corp of Engineers appears equivalent to yours, and our Army Corp of Engineers is very good at what they do like yours. And that's exactly the point -- who the hell cares about the environment! A lot good caring for the environment did for the people of New Orleans. Not only that, but this is a true environmental disaster. Not all this silly nonsense about the ozone hole, global warming, "pollution" from SUVs versus hybrids... this is it. CFCs never killed anybody.

No one really for sure if the Towers would've remained standing if asbestos was used fireproofing , but one thing is known for sure, asbestos -- with its superior properties -- would've allowed the Towers to remain standing far longer than they did, obviously allowing more people to escape. And yes the impact of the planes would've obviously damaged any fireproofing material, but since asbestos isn't as hard as the alternate concrete material used, it wouldn't have "shattered" off so easily either, and more of it would've remained in tact. And since heat rises, the physically undamaged areas above were subjected to extreme heat without the benefit of the superior asbestos fireproofing, so the structural steel failed sooner. Perhaps it might not have failed at all.

Remember, the buildings were originally designed to withstand the impact of a 707 and subsequent fire -- with asbestos as part of the plan. The theory was the fire would eventually run out of fuel and extinguish itself. The asbestos would help to compartmentalize the heat, preventing the fire from further spreading.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25385

And there is plenty of other material on this subject.

We also know that the 1986 Challenger disaster was caused by not using asbestos on the O-rings. Again, more dead in the name of environmentalism.

NickD, you've got the general idea, but the chronology of events might be backwards. The levee system was built in response to the area sinking as a result of the mineral depletion -- something the Army Corp of Engineers wanted and could have corrected, but the environmentalists (as always) fought.

And Gregg, who the heck cares about the Environmental Impact Study anyway? How about an EIS on the result of what happend in New Orleans now. Of course a major project such as this is going to "impact" the environment in the way these anti-progess folks won't like. Congress authorized, and the President signed, legislation virtually giving cart blanche to the Army Corp of Engineers to fix this problem after they saw this disastrous potential with Hurricane Betsy. Are you advocating that duly elected representatives by the people should be subordinated to unelected bureaucracies? My G_d, we in this nation are in far more trouble than I thought!

So basically you're saying we should do nothing, that the New Orleans disaster was going to happen anyway, and nothing we could've done to prevent Lake Pontchartrain from overpowering the levees. Then how come similar floodgates are used successfully in the Netherlands against the far more powerful and brutal North Sea?

Environmental groups have NO legitimate causes. If any group is more consistently wrong it's environmental groups.

If you really believe governmental agencies are there to "look out for our well being" then I guess you're more naive then I thought. Might as wel go 100% communist then.

The only system that looks out for the well being of other is: C A P I T A L I S M.

Joe

NickD on Sun September 11, 2005 6:07 AM User is offline

environmentalism, 1. Advocacy for or work toward protecting the natural environment from destruction or pollution. 2. The theory that environment rather than heredity is the primary influence on intellectual growth and cultural development. --en·vi”ron·men“tal·ist n.

Protecting the natural environment from destruction or pollution sounds good to me, but the group that offends you (and me) are the extremists or have goals disguised to protect the environment. For example, this group that strongly objects to WI running an extension cord from Canada for low cost hydroelectric power telling the public pure lies. The only other alternative is to build natural gas burning power plants and that is precisely what this group wants as they are being paid by the oil companies or sure seem to be.

Have to consider what their motives are, I am sure if you and I were living on a crystal blue clean lake, we would object to a chemical plant dumping in trash or it being flooded with raw sewage, in that case, we would both be considered environmentalist. I have met DNR agents that can only be defined as idiotic extremists, if a leaf falls from a tree it must stay there and he will fine you if you move it. Regarding the destruction aspects of environmentalism, nature is more guilty of destroying than man himself. Man can do many things to improve the environment. If you have ever walked through virgin timber land, nature does a very poor job where dead trees are lying everywhere, and mama trees are murdering their offspring, much rather see a healthy man made forest.

Someone is making a handful of money by forcing our state to built roads in the winter time to protect the garter snake, first off we have billions of these snakes, and second, they dig about 3' under the surface in the winter and will be killed anyway, least in the summer months, they can crawl away if they hear a doser coming. Such stupidity. Way overboard on protecting wetlands, the wetland areas are also the key areas that are infested with mosquitoes carrying diseases.

The Mississippi River has hundreds of different paths, what is wrong with confining it to one main path? Intelligence was not used in the levee system, it destroyed the barrier islands that were protecting New Orleans. Would only make sense to an intelligent person to restore these islands and with plenty of hurricane busting tree growth like it was 300 years ago. Wonder what are the goals of the so-called environmentalists you are talking about that are against protecting New Orleans. Has to be a financial motive.

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