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More peaceful acts which we need to understand, right Karl. Pages: 12

TRB on Fri April 07, 2006 3:02 PM User is offlineView users profile

Dressed up as women, is that not against Allah's wishes?

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Edited: Fri April 07, 2006 at 3:02 PM by TRB

Karl Hofmann on Fri April 07, 2006 7:38 PM User is offlineView users profile

You seem to have got the word muslim jammed in your head and are unable to remove it. This war seems now to be a civil war where arabs will kill arabs, its a war, without killing, it would just be a nasty disagreement.

During the troubles in Northern Ireland, Protestants, who were Christians killed Catholics, who were also Christians and in your own civil war, I'm sure that both sides prayed to the same god, yet were happy to ignore one of his commandments. I'm sure that Mr Bill will say that we all have been given free will, but a commandment from your god, surly cannot be second guessed by anyone, If you do, then surly you are saying that your wishes are a higher priority than the wishes of your creator.

Get used to the fact that you will have to discuss things with these killers.

Tim, this is a war that the US chose to get involved with, tens of thousands have died because of it, many more will die in the future, howmany of these people would still be alive if you guys had kept your noses out of someone elses business? No point in you guys getting all shocked and horrified now, its a war and in war people do evil things.

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Russell on Sat April 08, 2006 11:27 AM User is offlineView users profile

But a war that isn't ended in a few weeks with a declaration of "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". Doesn't let americans come home with that warm fuzzy feeling that they have done well. We therefore must blame it on others.

Vietnam left such a bad taste in our mouths that we are focused on "SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS!" Whether the cause is just or not. This is Bush's private war to avenge the honor of his father. He is shaming us into supporting his cause by confusing the issues. Being against the war is not being against the troops, supporting it is.

If Americans support their troops, they will insist they come home to safety. We overthrew the government in Afghanistan and they are now on the verge of a civil war, as well as a war with Pakistan.

We removed Aristide in Haiti, they are in the throes of civil war too!

Now the same is true in Iraq. Overthrow an established government and open the people up to years of in-fighting.

Haven't we spread democracy far enough this century?

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TRB on Sat April 08, 2006 3:38 PM User is offlineView users profile

It's the American's fault whacky muslims dress up as women and blow up each other, in a holy place. If you did not have the US to blame it would just be someone else. Why is it you never mention all the other countries in Iraq which are fighting terrorism? Why not say it is because you Brit's have invaded a country and our causing all these issues. But let's not get off the topic here. It's obvious these people know nothing more about solving their issues. There answer is to kill. If they could "talk" they would be "talking" with each other now! They are nothing more then killers and until they change their methods they will have to be dealt with in a manner suitable for a murderer.

Hell you think we invaded a country with a few hundred thousand troops. What about the invasion of Mexico into America at 12 million troops, with 70 thousand addition troops weekly! If we were sending an additional 70 thousand troops in Iraq a week you liberals would be crying like the babies you are.



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meaux on Sat April 08, 2006 9:12 PM User is offlineView users profile

Jeeze Karl, I think this paragraph pretty much explains it...

"The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilisations, It is a clash between civilisation and backwardness, between the civilised and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between human rights on the one hand and the violation of these rights on the other, between those who treat women like beasts and those who treat them like human beings."

Dr. Sultan
Legalised American Citizen

They declared war on us many years ago and now it's time to finish it... At least they are in Iraq, trying to take over a country in the Middle East, (which they will fail) instead of running a country rich in oil money, plotting to kill many more thousands, if not millions of innocent people all over the world. George Bush did not invent these people...They've been around for many years...and do not want to talk. Can't you see A-KaKa and all the other savage groups want a civil war? Isn't that why the Shia are now targets? They can't let the rest of the civilised world "pimp slap" them... :-)

Of course my "war plan" would have been much different... :-)




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Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 3:49 AM User is offlineView users profile

It's the American's fault whacky muslims dress up as women and blow up each other, in a holy place.

So were they dressing up as women and blowing people up BEFORE you guys got there?

There answer is to kill. If they could "talk" they would be "talking" with each other now!

These people want power, killing people shows your strength and makes people fear you so that they can talk from a position of strength. No point in talking if you don't have muscle to back up your words.
Even in our countries there is no point in passing a law if there is no risk of punishment for breaking that law, fear is what controls our actions.

They declared war on us many years ago and now it's time to finish it.

Saddam has never declaired war on the US, true he poked fun at you guys and made you look stupid but I dont think that Junior needed much help there

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meaux on Sun April 09, 2006 9:32 AM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, I guess your shallow mind won't allow you to understand we're not at war with Saddam or Iraq. Saddam just happened to be in the "Bonus Round" and just to hard to pass up... :-)

There's a reason terrorists went to Iraq...What did George Bush say? Something like, If you harbor terrorists, you're just as guilty as terrorists. Saddam lost his war a long time ago...He's finished, done, all thats left is a good hanging...after a trial by his own people of course. Wouldn't want his "rights" violated... :-) I know that a Saddam trial by the USA, in the USA, is a huge disappointment for you, but you'll get over it... :-)

Think Karl, we were not at war with the Taliban or Afganistan either...But for some unexplainable reason, maybe "loss of memory", so common with Lefties and anti-war freaks, that action in Afganistan seems to be OK with you... Whats the difference?

This is getting old..."Invented Boogeyman"...What horse squeeze.

Iraq is starting to resemble what Isreal was a few years back...Didn't hear any complaints back then from the left...Terrorists bombers were a fact, some supported with money by Saddam, and part of everyday life for Isrealies...Pretty much accepted by the Left Huh?

So, whats your problem now?

OK, stupid question on my part, I know it's George Bush and the USA's fault...So, what else is new Karl?

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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 10:11 AM by meaux

Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 11:02 AM User is offlineView users profile

So its NOT a war?

OK I always thought that an armed conflict between nations was a war, hang on a min, I have my dictionary here, oh yes War, an armed conflict, especially between nations. Hmm..It is the Oxford dictionary, as in Oxford, England, where we speak English, in fact I think that we invented it, so I think that it would be fair to describe what has passed in Iraq as a WAR. If you are in any doubt, perhaps we should go out to Iraq and dig up some dead people and ask "OK guys, raise your right hand if you think that this is not a war" I suspect that there wouldn't be too many raising their right hand. Feel free to learn the English language at any time Meaux, it certainly beats drivel.

As usual, you have no proof at all that there were terrorists or terrorist camps in Iraq, indeed this was not one of the excuses that we were given for the war, the evil baby killing was one, as was the weapons of mass destruction that are in Syria.....Hmm, if they are in Syria, then why invade Iraq? do you need better cartographers? or can your guys not read a map or did Junior play "Pin the tail on the donkey" to decide where to invade next. Perhaps he'd have done better if he'd done a Google search for WMD, cant see that he would have done any worse

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meaux on Sun April 09, 2006 12:22 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl says, "OK I always thought that an armed conflict between nations was a war, hang on a min, I have my dictionary here, oh yes War, an armed conflict, especially between nations."

OK Karl, lets split hairs...What Nation are we fighting? The Nation of Al-KaKa? The Nation of Backwards Primitave Savages? Where is this Nation located? Where is it's Army or Military? It's also been called the "War on Terror", and it can take place anywhere on this planet. You've been told countless times, it's a "different kind of War", a type of War we have never fought before... Not done by the "Book" or dictionary... We have "Rules" and they don't... They have no POW's to torture, they just saw off heads...Not really a "conventional" Enemy is it?

Are we fighting the Iraqi Army? Last time I checked we were training them to defend their own Nation against the Uncivilised Barbarians that want to rule and dominate a people against their will. They are not religious people, they don't care who they kill...and so on, so many times...Like I said, It's gettin old...

Karl says, "Hmm..It is the Oxford dictionary, as in Oxford, England, where we speak English, in fact I think that we invented it, so I think that it would be fair to describe what has passed in Iraq as a WAR."

Gee Karl, for someone with so many "grey areas" on every issue, when it comes to something you don't want to understand, suddenly you have a "Black and White" outlook... :-) Maybe you should try the language of "Common Sense", and no, I don't speak Anglish, I speak American...That must be where the breakdown is... :-)

Karl says, "If you are in any doubt, perhaps we should go out to Iraq and dig up some dead people and ask "OK guys, raise your right hand if you think that this is not a war"

Yes, I guess we could ask the half million or so Saddam buried...and we're still digging up thousands of bound and executed men, women and children Iraqis...But it's OK cause it was Saddam's doings and he wasn't at War with anybody right? I guess he was trying to save Social Security... :-)

Karl says, " Feel free to learn the English language at any time Meaux, it certainly beats drivel."

Don't need to Karl, I don't live in England, no more than I need to learn German, I don't live in Germany... I'm a Native American, I speak American (the Redneck kind), and we'll do as we please... :-)

Oh, speaking of "drivel" wipe off your chin... :-)



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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 12:27 PM by meaux

TRB on Sun April 09, 2006 12:35 PM User is offlineView users profile

"These people want power, killing people shows your strength and makes people fear you so that they can talk from a position of strength. No point in talking if you don't have muscle to back up your words".


Diconary.com,

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Sounds about right Karl, this is what we are fighting against. It's not a war on a person or country but a war on the people that commit acts of terror.

Hey Karl how many more innocent people must be blown up by your muslins dressed as women before they have enough power to "talk"? Dude you're arguments fall apart almost as bad as Russell's.

What is it with you guys and the grammar and spelling issues. Do you think by correcting someone''s grammar or spelling it validates you're point? If having perfect grammar and spelling produces a thought process such as karl's and Russell's I glad I make errors.


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Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 12:38 PM User is offlineView users profile

'm a Native American, I speak American

No you aren't and no you don't

You are an import, you have partial French ancestery, settlers have all but killed off the Native American. The language that you speak is called English, you did have the option to speak German, but you guys chose English. There is no recognised language called American, you can make all sorts of outragous claims, but it does not change what you are.

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Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 1:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

Tim,

I'm not aware that I have corrected anyones grammar, I have however taken issue with some of the words used. Words have defined meanings, they can be found in a dictionary, if we used words with a different meaning to what is in the dictionary, then no one will understand what it is you are trying to convey. Come to think of it, no one knows what Meaux is talking about anyway so yes, maybe he is talking a foreign language.

The phrase "War on Terror" is totally meaningless since war is an armed conflict and terror is extreme fear, so it would be fair to say that the byproduct of war is terror, but to go to war on this terror only generates more terror, so the more terror there is, clearly the more war there will be, thus generating even more terror. Which is exactly what we have

Now then if it had been war on terrorists, we could have gone somewhere, war on terrorists, ie those who promote terror for political gain. We should then question if the US insistance to cross international borders to get at so called terrorists against the wishes of the government of that country should be regarded as an act of war, effectively making you at war with that country, a country like say.....Iraq

However you guys wrap it up in marketing crap it was an act of war to invade a soverein state and depose its leader

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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 1:04 PM by Karl Hofmann

meaux on Sun April 09, 2006 1:08 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, Since we're back to splitting hairs, whats the difference between me and a Native American? None really.

I was born here, and so was the Native American...Ahhh... but me the Native American's ancestors came from somewhere else right? Africa perhaps? The "Cradle of Civilasation"...Hell, if thats true, you're not really English right? We must all be Africans! We're all Imports!

There are people today that believe "White Europeans" were the creation of an Africian Mad Scientist, and his "creation" then escaped and populated Europe, then took over the world. It's these "White Mutants" that are the blame for the contitinent of Africa's problems today...And all the world's problems...

Funny huh? People do believe it, but it dosen't prove a damn thing... :-)

The "Native American" is alive and well, at least down the road from me, some are millionaires because they control all the Casinos, pay no taxes, and have their own Nation within this Nation...pretty good "payback" I'd say... :-)

By the way Karl, if you sypher out the Furrin Language I speak, where did Al-ZarKaKa go when his leg was shot off in Afganistan? I'm sure his buddy Saddam didn't know he and his gang were in his Hospital...in Iraq.

Thats a fact, but please ignore it. :-) You know there were never any Terrorists in Iraq... Not until Bush put them there... Some say Ronald Reagan burried all those bodies to set up this "War"... Screwd guys those Americans... :-) We just want to kill people!

You're allways good for a Sunday laugh! :-)

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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 1:16 PM by meaux

Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 1:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

Tim, Please define "Unlawfull" Who states what the laws are, the lawfull dictator of a country? the unlawfull invaders of a country? or the legal system of the country where the crime has been committed?

If we were to ask a true Christian, then there are ten laws, or Commandments that have been passed down from your supreme creator, and the "Lawfull" army has broken the first law, does this make them unlawfull?

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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 1:12 PM by Karl Hofmann

Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 1:17 PM User is offlineView users profile

The "Native American" is alive and well, at least down the road from me, some are millionaires because they control all the Casinos, pay no taxes, and have their own Nation within this Nation...pretty good "payback" I'd say... :-)

Hardly, since their nation has suffered revolting treatment at the hands of your import ancestors, killed, tortured, hunted, their land stolen, their food source wiped out, good job you guys are exporting such democracy across the world

I did a quick Google search for Al-ZarKaKa, seems that the man does not exist, must be a figment of your imagination, you really must send me some of that cannabis hooch that you have been brewing.

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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 1:21 PM by Karl Hofmann

meaux on Sun April 09, 2006 1:25 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl says, "Hardly, since their nation has suffered revolting treatment at the hands of your import ancestors, killed, tortured, hunted, their land stolen, their food source wiped out, good job you guys are exporting such democracy across the world"

Ha! LMAO! All the above comming from a Brit? You are so funny! Your envy is startin to show again...

I need another cup of Joe, my sides are starting to hurt! :-)

You know who Al-ZarKaKa is, I just don't have any respect for the Savage to use the dog's name... :-)



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Edited: Sun April 09, 2006 at 1:29 PM by meaux

Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 1:44 PM User is offlineView users profile

Ha! LMAO! All the above comming from a Brit? You are so funny! Your envy is startin to show again...

Yep, but we aint the ones who paid to promote terrorism world wide, and then cried foul when we got a shot of our own medicene.

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TRB on Sun April 09, 2006 7:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: Karl Hofmann
Tim, Please define "Unlawfull" Who states what the laws are, the lawfull dictator of a country? the unlawfull invaders of a country? or the legal system of the country where the crime has been committed?



If we were to ask a true Christian, then there are ten laws, or Commandments that have been passed down from your supreme creator, and the "Lawfull" army has broken the first law, does this make them unlawfull?

That definition came straight from the dictionary which you asked us too use. I can't help it if we follow you're suggestions and you do not like the results.

You still failed to answer the the question, how many blown up individuals are needed by you're radical muslin pals before they have enough power to talk. After all what is the use of talking if they have not murdered enough individuals to talk yet! Once we know the number maybe you and you're pals can just go house to house pick up the amount of individuals you need and have a mass killing session. Then you will have the power you state is needed to talk and the country can move forward.

Karl how much money has been provided by the arab countries too support these terrorists groups?



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Karl Hofmann on Sun April 09, 2006 8:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

What I asked, was who says what is lawfull and what is unlawfull?

Karl how much money has been provided by the arab countries too support these terrorists groups? Nowhere near as much as the US has provided to support these same terrorist groups, don't forget that old Osama was one of your men, as was Saddam

You still failed to answer the the question, how many blown up individuals are needed by you're radical muslin pals before they have enough power to talk. I'm afraid that I am not too sure, but I'll bet it is almost as many as the US have killed by funding terrorist groups or invading small third world asian countries. Say, just howmany vietnamese did die whilst you tried to save them from communism?

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TRB on Sun April 09, 2006 8:25 PM User is offlineView users profile

So basically you are saying you really have no clue why you make such comments. First it was talk with them Tim. Then when your pals are killing each other in dresses you say its a power struggle and when enough killing is done they then will talk. You have no clue as to what that figure is only that it will come down the road at some point in time after enough killing has taken place. Just a note, these savages have been killing each other since the dawn of time! You then try to re-direct the issue to an issue which has nothing to do with the current question and comments at hand. I'm sure we could add up some British/UK figures if that is the game you want to play. In the 1700 and 1800 hundreds I believe you Europeans were pretty brutal. Matter of fact I think your boy Hitler did a pretty good job at practicing murder. You did say your father was in the German military at that time correct? But honestly I don't care to go down that road as it is the past. I want to stop the killing of today and the future!

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Karl Hofmann on Mon April 10, 2006 6:59 PM User is offlineView users profile

So basically you are saying you really have no clue why you make such comments. The only thing on which I Have no clue is which comments you are referring to.

First it was talk with them Tim. Then when your pals are killing each other in dresses you say its a power struggle and when enough killing is done they then will talk. Tim, they are talking, I guess they can multitask, Kill and talk at the same time. Killing will never end, it is mans nature to destroy, read your local newspaper today, I'm sure someone got killed somewhere today, we are all savages because we all have the potential to kill, don't tell me that you would never kill because we all know that is complete bollocks.

Sure we Europeans were brutal, but we never claimed that we were to bring peace and democracy to anywhere, we wanted land and riches, why not be honest, you want to dominate the area, I'd respect you for your honesty.

Hitler was a rank outsider when we compare him to our buddy Stalin, but they both were pretty brutal geezers. My dad was in the army, but my uncle was in the SS, at the time it all seemed like a good idea, but some of you are advocating genocide against the arabs, we can learn loads from history

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Russell on Mon April 10, 2006 7:18 PM User is offlineView users profile

Thanks for reminding me Karl, I had meant to point out to Meaux previously that we didn't just go to europe and kick Germany's ass like he seems to recall we did.

Stalin and the Russians had already kicked Hitlers ass. MILLIONS OF DEAD GERMAN SOLDIERS, tens of thousands tanks and heavy artillery guns destroyed. All before we got there.

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