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MrBillPro on Sat December 23, 2006 7:03 PM User is offlineView users profile

security Council approves Iran sanctions

Sat Dec 23, 12:39 PM ET

UNITED NATIONS - The
U.N. Security Council unanimously agreed Saturday to impose sanctions against
Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment, culminating two months of negotiations to curb a nuclear program the United States claims is aimed at building weapons.


The resolution orders all countries to ban the supply of specified materials and technology that could contribute to Iran's nuclear and missile programs. It also imposes an asset freeze on key companies and individuals in the country's nuclear and missile programs named on a U.N. list.

If Iran refuses to comply, the resolution warns Iran that the council will adopt further nonmilitary sanctions.

Until the last moments before the vote, it was not clear whether all 15 Security Council members would support the resolution.

Russia and China, which both have strong commercial ties to Tehran, have pressed for a step-by-step approach to sanctions, and Qatar has supported Iran's peaceful use of nuclear energy. By contrast, the United States has pushed for very tough sanctions, with Britain and France taking a slightly softer view.

Key European nations made late changes that brought Moscow and Beijing on board, including earlier this week dropping a ban on travel for key figures in Iran's nuclear and missile programs.

Qatar's U.N. Ambassador Nassir Al-Nassir, the only Arab member of the council and its current president, was the last to make his country's intentions known, telling members just before the vote that Qatar would vote yes "because we are concerned about the safety of Iranian nuclear facilities."

On Saturday, Russian President
Vladimir Putin called
President Bush to discuss the Iran vote, agreeing on the need to move forward with a resolution, said Blain Rethmeier, a spokesman for Bush. The two leaders "stressed the importance of maintaining a unified position on Iran's nuclear program," Rethmeier said.

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said Moscow agreed to sanctions because it wanted Iran "to lift remaining concerns over its nuclear program."

He stressed that the goal must be to resume talks. If Iran suspends enrichment and reprocessing, the resolution calls for a suspension of sanctions "which would pave the way for a negotiated solution," Churkin said.

Acting U.S. Ambassador Alejandro Wolff said he hopes the sanctions "will convince Iran that the best way to ensure security it to abandon" nuclear enrichment.

Iran insists its nuclear program is intended to produce energy, but the Americans and Europeans suspect its ultimate goal is the production of weapons.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated Tuesday that Security Council sanctions would not stop Iran from pursuing uranium enrichment, a technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel for civilian purposes or fuel for a nuclear bomb.

The resolution authorizes action under Article 41 of Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter. It allows the Security Council to impose nonmilitary sanctions such as severing diplomatic and economic relations, transportation and communications links.

If Iran fails to comply, the draft says the council will adopt "further appropriate measures" under Article 41.

The resolution calls on all states "to exercise vigilance" regarding the entry or transit through their territory of those on a U.N. list that names 12 top Iranians involved in the country's nuclear and missile programs. It asks the 191 other U.N. member states to notify a Security Council committee that will be created to monitor sanctions when those Iranians show up in their country.

The resolution also says the council will review Iran's actions in light of a report from the head of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, requested within 60 days, on whether Iran has suspended uranium enrichment and complied with other IAEA demands.

If the IAEA — the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog — verifies that Iran has suspended enrichment and reprocessing, the resolution says the sanctions will be suspended to allow for negotiations. It says sanctions will end as soon as the IAEA board confirms that Iran has complied with all its obligations.

Before the final text was circulated, Churkin pressed for amendments to ensure that Moscow can conduct legitimate nuclear activities in Iran — a point Churkin stressed Saturday.

Russia is building Iran's first atomic power plant at Bushehr, which is expected to go on line in late 2007. A reference to Bushehr in the original draft was removed earlier — as Russia demanded.

The six key parties trying to curb Iran's nuclear program — Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China and the United States — offered Tehran a package of economic incentives and political rewards in June if it agreed to consider a long-term moratorium on enrichment and committed itself to a freeze on uranium enrichment before talks on its nuclear program.

That package remains an option, but with Iran refusing to comply with an Aug. 31 council deadline to stop enrichment, Britain and France circulated a draft sanctions resolution in late October, which has been revised several times since then.

To meet concerns of Russia and China that the original resolution was too broad, it was changed to specify in greater detail exactly what materials and technology would be prohibited from being supplied to Iran and to name those individuals and companies that would be affected.



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Edited: Sat December 23, 2006 at 7:04 PM by MrBillPro

UK Tech on Sun December 24, 2006 5:40 PM User is offline

The Iranian leader described the resolution as 'nothing more than a piece of paper'. He's got that right!

TRB on Sun December 24, 2006 6:07 PM User is offlineView users profile

Well the way the UN stands behind its resolutions. It is just paper and a bunch of talk.

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meaux on Sun December 24, 2006 6:32 PM User is offlineView users profile

Only 13 more to go!

By then Isreal will be gone... Heck, if they do destroy Isreal, won't that be the end of problems in the Middle East, and the asshats will love us again?

If I were a Liberal Peacenut, I'd believe that...

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MrBillPro on Sun December 24, 2006 8:59 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Only 13 more to go!

By then Isreal will be gone... Heck, if they do destroy Israel, won't that be the end of problems in the Middle East.



According to the Bible and the Book of Revelation, chapters 16-21, in order for the Second Coming of Christ to occur, several things must happen. First, the Jews must return to Jerusalem. That has already happened. Then, there will be a series of catastrophic events. The moon will turn to blood. Next, there will be a major battle known as the Battle of Armageddon. Satan will declare war on Jerusalem. He will effect it through the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that part of Jerusalem will be destroyed and pillaged. It also states that when all appears hopeless for the Jews, the Second Coming of Christ will occur. From the ruins a new Jerusalem will arise and all the remaining Jews who were not killed in the Battle of Armageddon will convert to Christianity.



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Karl Hofmann on Sun December 24, 2006 10:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

So I'm curious... Why should Iran not have nuclear weapons?

The Americans couldn't wait to toast japan as soon as they got theirs, and are still the only country to use theirs in anger unless you count the russians feeding Polonium to their journalists... Hardly a good example of restraint

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Karl Hofmann on Sun December 24, 2006 11:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

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According to the Bible and the Book of Revelation, chapters 16-21, in order for the Second Coming of Christ to occur, several things must happen. First, the Jews must return to Jerusalem. That has already happened. Then, there will be a series of catastrophic events. The moon will turn to blood. Next, there will be a major battle known as the Battle of Armageddon. Satan will declare war on Jerusalem. He will effect it through the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that part of Jerusalem will be destroyed and pillaged. It also states that when all appears hopeless for the Jews, the Second Coming of Christ will occur. From the ruins a new Jerusalem will arise and all the remaining Jews who were not killed in the Battle of Armageddon will convert to Christianity.



Ha Ha. How is it that you guys believe this crap yet wont believe a guy who goes to Iraq and says that they have no WMD, your satelites spies and spy planes cant find WMD and even when you guys go there yourselves and look and STILL cant find WMD.... You guys dont believe it....Strange, very strange.

You guys will tell me next that the sone of god REALLY was born on the 25th of December.... Whatever....

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MrBillPro on Sun December 24, 2006 11:34 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Ha Ha. How is it that you guys believe this crap


Hey Karl, we all have to believe in something don't you believe in something? well I choose to believe there is a God and I don't condemn you for your beliefs and never would that's not me, and I would never call anything you believe in crap, but I am held to a higher standard by my beliefs.


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TRB on Mon December 25, 2006 12:05 AM User is offlineView users profile

What I believe is you still don't have an answer for the statement we will kill all that do not follow Allah. When this policy is put into place and it is now what are we supposed to do Karl. Sit in a row so they can kill us as fast as they can? Talk to them just before the sword slices our neck. Your policy sucks and Karl says lets talk about it. See not one of you that likes to bash the USA can tell me what I'm supposed to do when Allah is killing us. So while I don't want to hurt anyone the choice is going to be my family or theirs. The liberals of this country do not see this as I do! I do believe more of our citizens will be killed with their approach. It has been brought up many times how many individuals were killed by the Christens many years ago. Like that gives anyone a reason to continue to kill today. If you say the Muslims have a right to kill today because of the Christens past. Well I say the Romans murdered many Christens many years ago! So using you thought process the Christens have the right to kill just as you claim the Muslims do now. Same can be said for Israel. You pro Muslim believers seem to think its fine for the Muslims to kill! Yet no one is allowed to fight back or they our the bad guys.

I will say I think I have a different view of the muslim countries these days. While I used to think they had the smarts to see what freedom is and would want it! I know feel they are really only a bunch of savages and could care less for anything other then their own personal power and god. So they will continue to kill their own people regardless of how many of their own people are murdered in the process. If these countries did not have oil really where would they be? Most would still be living in a mud hut if they were lucky!

It is not just America that would prefer countries not gaining the ability to produce a nuclear weapon. Anyone thinking Iran needs nuclear power with all the oil they have is just drinking their kool-aid.

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Edited: Mon December 25, 2006 at 4:27 PM by TRB

Karl Hofmann on Mon December 25, 2006 6:38 AM User is offlineView users profile

Mr Bill,

My point is that you Christians will fight and die following the scriptures in the Bible and yet the Bible has not been proven to be genuine, the word of your god or even to have been a remotely accurate representation of the life and times of the man called Jesus. It relies purely on your faith to cement it together, and yet your own armd forces go to Iraq with high tech kit to sniff out all of these WMD and you guys wont believe eye witness accounts backed up with footage and reasonable proof. I'm curious whare it is written that JCs birthday is on 25 December or that he died at easter... The Bible is as far as I am concerned a total work of fiction, I do believe in heaven and hell though but believe that they are parts of your consience, everyone has their own personal heaven and hell based on what they done that they know to have been right and wrong

I would also add that I doubt the origins of the Koran and every other holy book, I see them as means of controlling the population and a means of rallying the troops in time of war.

Tim, I think that you would agree with me if I was to say that you Yanks are a pretty disfunctional bunch most of the time, but wave the stars and stripes and tell the prolls that it is under threat and you guys stand in line ready to kill for no real reason at all, well it seems that some enterprising raghead has figured out a common denominator to make muslims do the same. Everyone loves a holy war because they are fighting and killing and raping in the name of their god so they get away with all the things that they have been told that they will burn in the fires of hell for and still get to go to heaven for it because it is in the name of their god.. A holy war is a war with no sin. Unfortunately the USs habit of throwing its weight around for no good reason has played right in to the hands of these people as they have shown their muslim brothers the face of the evil that they must unite to defeat. So now you guys are anti Muslim 100% and they are anti Western 100% and there is no room for middle ground. You guys have the heavy artillery and high tech stuff, they have simple stuff but unshakable beliefs and a willingness to die for their god, they are light and can sneak around unseen in your own back yard and behind your battle lines.... I think that this is gonna be messy



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meaux on Mon December 25, 2006 10:58 AM User is offlineView users profile

Iranian Legislature chanted, "Death to America, Death to America", only yesterday... Do you hear the Japanese Gov'ment, or any other Nation w/ Nuclear weapons chant the same Threat in their halls of Gov'ment?

Be patient Karl, your Muslim buddies sure are, even your nieghbors in your own back yard... Just wait till Push comes to Shove... It happened in WW2, and it will happen again...

Have you kissed a Muslim today?

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TRB on Mon December 25, 2006 12:05 PM User is offlineView users profile

Nice rant Karl but you fail to answer my question again.

Japan does not have a nuclear weapon or program.

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Edited: Mon December 25, 2006 at 12:06 PM by TRB

meaux on Mon December 25, 2006 12:24 PM User is offlineView users profile

You're right TRB, Japan dosen't have one yet... and it wouldn't really bother me if they did... The Japanese want to live, and prosper in this world, unlike the fanatic Muslim that considers his own Death a "Victory". I wish we would just go ahead and accomadate them... Even the young girls want to die and become one of the 72 virgins... Strange folks Karl likes to defend.

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TRB on Mon December 25, 2006 12:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

That is one of the reasons many countries do not want Iran or others to have a nuclear weapon. Countries will start trying to get them left and right if their neighbors get one. The fewer that have one the less chance one will ever be used again!

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MrBillPro on Tue December 26, 2006 11:07 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: Karl Hofmann
Mr Bill,



My point is that you Christians will fight and die following the scriptures in the Bible and yet the Bible has not been proven to be genuine, the word of your god or even to have been a remotely accurate representation of the life and times of the man called Jesus.


Karl, I won't get into a pissing match with you over the Word Of God but I can tell you don't know squat about the Bible if you think nothing it says has been proven to be genuine, you might try reading you Bible again with an open mind.

• The regathering of Israel (Jer. 30:11; 31:10,28,35-37; Ezek. 37:1-14)
• Jerusalem returned to Jewish control (Lk. 21:24)
• Libya, Ethiopia, Persia (Iran) same political persuasion (Ezek. 38:5; Dan. 11:43)
• The state of the world: Distress, perplexity, fear (Lk. 21:25,26) Immorality (Lk. 17:28-30; Gen. 13:13; 18:20) Godlessness (2 Tim. 3:1-7) Corruption and violence (Lk. 17:26,27; Gen. 6:11)
• An explosion of knowledge (Dan. 12:4)
• An expansion of military might, particularly in the Middle East (Joel 3:9-14)
• A reunited Europe with a strong apostate religious influence dominated by a particular
nation or region (Dan. 8:23-25; 11:36-39; Rev. 17; Ezek. 38:1-7)
• A change from the east-west divide of nations to a north-south, particularly in relation
to the Middle East (Dan. 11:40)
• The search for peace and prosperity in the Middle East by Israel (Ezek. 38:10-12)



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Karl Hofmann on Wed December 27, 2006 11:51 AM User is offlineView users profile

Mr Bill, so if a guy told the world that he was the son of god, what proof would you need that he was bearing in mind that god doesn't like doubters but prefers blind faith? Who wrote the Bible bearing in mind that much of it was subject to the spoken word and hense the interpretation of the person who has had to remember it, and then when writen open to errors in hand written copying, what if all holy books originated at the same event in history and each have mutated, influenced by personal and political views... does that make Christians the same as Muslims each believing that they are doing the word of god?

Personally, floating around on clouds playing a harp is my idea of hell and the other place does have a good heating system, guess that there will be plenty of work for me to do fixing air con systems.... Ha! They might even have R12 down there

Tim, I thought that you wanted to enforce freedom on people, are the Iranians not free to chant whatever they like? Is that not called freedom? why are they not free to build their own Nuke or does American freedom only apply to people who agree with America? What do you do with those who dont agree with America? Nuke them? if this is so then perhaps Iran has a point in making a Nuke, perhaps they feel that the US is a bit to free and easy with its fists. Remember, that you guys paid Saddam to wipe them out once and then you stuck a knife into the back of your own creation when he stepped out of line... Just a cheery thought

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TRB on Wed December 27, 2006 2:20 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, again you fail to answer the simple question. They state they will kill all that do not follow Allah! What is your plan to stop them from acting on their statements?

To me the nuclear issue is a tough one one. I do agree that we do not have the right to tell anyone if they can or cannot have one. Then again we have the right to defend our country. With the statements like the one above we have the right to stop them from ever getting one in my opinion. I also again point out this is not just a USA issue! Many countries have stated they do not want Iran or others to obtain nuclear weapons. So let's remember that and when you are bashing the USA over this and make sure you include all the players!

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MrBillPro on Thu December 28, 2006 12:30 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Mr Bill, so if a guy told the world that he was the son of god, what proof would you need that he was bearing in mind that god doesn't like doubters but prefers blind faith?

Karl, back in the times of Christ he performed miracles right in front of folks so how much more proof might you need? Karl, I think all the folks in the world that are believers, believes in "GOD" rather it be Muslims or whoever it's the religion thing that screws up people's minds. Different "Religions" believe different things that led up to Jesus Christ and some only believe there is a God but never was a Jesus, see I believe there is a Jesus because without Jesus there would have been no sacrifice for my sins or anyway for me to have a salvation.

Karl, there is a lot of things in this world we just have to believe until proven different and "no" one has ever proven there was not a Jesus or matter fact no one have ever proven how "man" begun, matter fact just ask any scientist how man developed and ask him to prove it, he can't. Karl, do you have to see to believe? if so, can you see air? no but it's there so you do believe in things that cannot be seen, can you see electricity? no but you sure not going to stick you finger into a electrical socket are you why? because you might be going to wherever you think folks go when they die if you do. Karl, my job as a believer is not to try and convince you there is a God or Jesus my job is just to plant the seed's and let God do the watering, and if you don't believe in God I still Love you anyway because that's my job.

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Karl Hofmann on Thu December 28, 2006 5:57 AM User is offlineView users profile

Hmmm..So if I was to turn water in to wine using a neat slight of hand and a few mirrors then I too could become the son of god? Well I do find myself talking to tax men quite a lot.....perhaps more than is comfortable for me.

I'm afraid that I'm with Darwin when it comes to the creation of man, we're not the chosen ones, just the dominant species who devours and destroys all in our path for the sake of greed.. We too will die out when our effluent poisons us, kinda like brewers yeast diying when the alcohol content becomes too strong for the yeast to live when brewing wine or beer. So by not using our intelegence to act as custodians of this planet, by dominating and destroying the systems that clean up after us and give us the air that we breathe would in my eyes be seen as a far greater sin than any other that I can think of.

If you were to push me in to a corner and stick a gun to my head, then I would say that I do believe in a god, but not the bearded white anglo saxon guy that most westerners follow or some all wise middle eastern geezer either and neither do i believe that god is consious of us but is the material from which we are all made, Mother Earth, The Solar System, The Universe perhaps? I would suggest that the ancient Druids and Witches were far closer to God than Pope Herrman the first.

Tim there are plenty of Westerners who are calling for the genocide of Muslims too so it would be logical for them to counter such posturing with their own cries of hate...Aint religon a wonderfull thing? So much peace and love between the followers of two such benevelant Gods

My god is bigger than your God, My God is gonna kick your Gods arse

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MrBillPro on Thu December 28, 2006 10:05 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Hmmm..
I'm afraid that I'm with Darwin when it comes to the creation of man, we're not the chosen ones, just the dominant species who devours and destroys all in our path for the sake of greed..

And I respect your idea of creation only difference is rather Darwin is right or the Word of God is right I have an absolute knowledge of were I am going when I leave here, and if there is a God which I believe there is that's a peace of mind so I can put that worry behind.

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TRB on Thu December 28, 2006 12:40 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Tim there are plenty of Westerners who are calling for the genocide of Muslims too so it would be logical for them to counter such posturing with their own cries of hate...Aint religon a wonderfull thing? So much peace and love between the followers of two such benevelant Gods

My god is bigger than your God, My God is gonna kick your Gods arse

While I will not debate their are people which feel the need to remove the muslims from this earth. I also feel they bring a lot of this upon themselves. I have yet to see the majority of Christians calling for the removal of others as the Muslims continue to do. But with all your redirection you have not provided us with any answer as to how to stop them from wanting to kill all that do not follow Allah. They murder between their own people which has nothing what so ever to do with US policy! Bottom line to me Karl is the people you defend just want to kill those that do not follow. So I must take into account you must want to follow and may be on the other end of a sword some day in the future.



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