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Hey Karl here is one for you.

TRB on Mon May 14, 2007 4:44 PM User is offlineView users profile

This is absolutely outrageous! I don't condone this act for any reason what so ever. Not because of a religion or a way of life or any other reason you defend your people.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272081,00.html

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Karl Hofmann on Mon May 14, 2007 7:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

Agreed. Outragous..

Sadly there is little incentive for the younger generation to toe the line. There are too many laws and not enough people to uphold the laws that make for a civilised society. I'm all for this kid to have his day in court as is his right and if he is found guilty, then a swift bullet to the back of his head. All this business of appeals and stuff does puzzle me, if he was found guilty, then he was found guilty, same with evidence that was obtained illegally....evidence is evidence and should be used, it might prove him guilty or it might find him innocent but there would be less doubt.

Sadly this kind of outrage is all too common these days

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TRB on Mon May 14, 2007 8:15 PM User is offlineView users profile

Odd you agree this is outrageous. When the head smashers were just doing their duty to Allah. How do you not know this person was doing this act in the name of their god? When these acts are committed under the disguise of religion or way of life. It is then allowed, correct Karl? Myself I just think this person is a thug that beat up an old man. But we have to try and understand this person as to find a reason for this action.

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Karl Hofmann on Mon May 14, 2007 8:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

Why is this odd? If I was in America, then it would be expected for me to comply with the laws of the US jus as I would expect you to comply with the laws of the UK when you come here and apply for assylum? Similarly if it is the laws and customs of a country to stone people to death, then that is their business and not yours. If you wish to protest then I suggest that you lodge a complaint at their Embassy.

There are plenty of countries who do not agree with the death penalty in the US but it is none of their business either.

Why do people spend so long on death row? if they are found guilty, then they are guilty. It could save you guys a fortune if they were topped just after leaving court.

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TRB on Mon May 14, 2007 8:38 PM User is offlineView users profile

You never sent me my first class ticket to the UK, what's up with that.

It's a 100 plus out, so I'm putting on a jacket and going for a bike ride.

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Edited: Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:44 AM by TRB

NickD on Tue May 15, 2007 8:36 AM User is offline

Easy target for thugs, similar to being creamed in an auto accident where some people use that opportunity to take stuff out of or off you vehicle, won't take the vehicle as it is smashed, but not as nearly as bad as the attorneys that really make a killing from your misfortune.

Standby's? If you can overpower the thugs, can get arrested for doing so, if the thugs are members of a gang, they will seek revenge on your family members. Our state is trying to pass a law where if you shoot a thug that breaks into your home, you will not be held criminally liable. Shoot that bastard now, and you can go to jail. Last time I had problems, wouldn't release my dogs, could get sued for dog biting, didn't grab my gun as could have been arrested for murder, so I grabbed a baseball bat and used my loud threatening voice to ward off the culprits. Took the god damned worthless police over three hours to get here. Too busy handing out parking tickets which is all they are good at.

Detroit and other cities use to be nice places to live in, parts of Milwaukee are a complete disaster, better know where you are going or you will be dead meat. Maybe it was because people had good jobs back then, now these jobs are in Asia with billions of dollars going to Iraq. Even WW II didn't put that much of a strain on this country. Feel, these are the real problems that should be addressed.

HECAT on Tue May 15, 2007 9:19 AM User is offline

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Why do people spend so long on death row? if they are found guilty, then they are guilty. It could save you guys a fortune if they were topped just after leaving court.

Yes, we should build the gallows even before the verdict is in!!!

To hell with all this due process and civil rights crap!!!


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Karl Hofmann on Tue May 15, 2007 9:39 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Why do people spend so long on death row? if they are found guilty, then they are guilty. It could save you guys a fortune if they were topped just after leaving court.



Yes, we should build the gallows even before the verdict is in!!!



To hell with all this due process and civil rights crap!!!


Surly that would only be valid if they had not been found guilty..If they had been found guilty, then what is the problem? They had their chance to present their case and it was decided that they were guilty of the crime.. If they are not guilty, then let them go free.


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NickD on Tue May 15, 2007 9:57 AM User is offline

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Why do people spend so long on death row? if they are found guilty, then they are guilty. It could save you guys a fortune if they were topped just after leaving court.

What? And kill another opportunity for our attorneys to put gold and silver on their tables? Most of our government are attorneys that make the laws and the make the laws so they can make a couple of bucks. Our judges are also attorneys, one big brotherhood.

HECAT on Tue May 15, 2007 11:24 AM User is offline

Nick, kind of like letting the inmates run the asylum isn't it.

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TRB on Tue May 15, 2007 11:40 AM User is offlineView users profile

Let me ask all of you a question.

Karl has made it a point to say we as humans in this world. Have no right to tell another when we see an injustice going on per said persons opinion. Karl seems to step on his on feet as he loves to tell us about all the things America is doing wrong. Yet uses the "it is their way" defense when people are blowing themselves up in market places or bashing in a young girls head. But as I stated this post is when do we as humans stand up and complain or fight against acts which most in the world would consider outrageous? I'm not talking about land boundaries or faith issues. Just plain old common sense, see an old man getting his ass kicked by a thug. My opinion it is wrong and someone standing by should have acted. See a young girl being beaten to death, someone should have acted to protect her!

Or is it the worlds way of thinking these days. Better look the other way or crawl in my hole as to not be a victim myself?

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NickD on Tue May 15, 2007 11:44 AM User is offline

The socialist government we had back here in the 60's started all this, paying unmarried women to have babies, the more babies they had, the more money they got. Cutting back funds now leading to desperation and lots of crime and high murder rates.

HECAT on Tue May 15, 2007 3:59 PM User is offline

Tim, I agree with you. No matter what the world things of us, Americans are a tolerant and compassionate people who value life. I saw the video of the old man getting beaten (did not see the girl getting stoned to death) and there are people in the background doing nothing. How can they do that? I have got myself in trouble more than once for coming to the aid of abused women. It may have not been appreciated at the time but I felt good about stepping up when it seemed no one else would.

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NickD on Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 AM User is offline

Ha, (speaking from experience), it's a lot easier and more effective to undress a woman by offering her your jacket than by ripping off her clothes and you do not get criminal liability with the former. If she has eyes for someone else, let her go, can't live with a woman you cannot trust and just begging for misery, beating sure doesn't work. And there is a lot more fish in the pond.

So guys with this kind of problem, have major problems.

Karl Hofmann on Wed May 16, 2007 12:20 PM User is offlineView users profile

If Americans value life and are compassionate then my question is why did no one help the old guy? Life is cheap. this is why China is a major manufacturing country, health and safety is non existant and the air is thick with pollutants, yet the developed world says nothing and imports more and more from China. We may all be appalled by single incidents such as the girl and the old man but be honest guys you don't really care where your consumable goods come from or how the workers who made them are treated. The girl had a quick death many will toil in agony untill they die a slow and lingering death

Life is cheap and people are just a commodity

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HECAT on Wed May 16, 2007 1:07 PM User is offline

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Originally posted by: Karl Hofmann
If Americans value life and are compassionate then my question is why did no one help the old guy?

Because common sense says there are bad seeds in every crowd.


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TRB on Wed May 16, 2007 1:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

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If Americans value life and are compassionate then my question is why did no one help the old guy?

That's my point Karl and always has been. One of the people there should have stepped in and help the older gentleman! Just as one of the 100 or so men waiting to bash in the girls head should have stepped up and helped her! People should value life Karl! Not death as terrorists you defend all the time!

Now how can you complain about the standards of China. After all your defense of the terrorists has always been its their way of life! So you should not complain if the US or anyone including the UK buy products from China! Do I agree with the working conditions in China, No! Should we try and convince China to treat its people more humane, Yes!

Here is my point Karl. No one has ever said the US or any other country is perfect. What we have said is we as a people on this earth should try and do better in all aspects of life. Helping an old man or stopping a girl from being killed because daddy was upset about her dating choices would be a good thing in my opinion.



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NickD on Thu May 17, 2007 7:31 AM User is offline

If they stone to death, a young child for not following her father's wishes, wonder what they do to a person that really does something bad?

TRB on Thu May 17, 2007 11:05 AM User is offlineView users profile

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If they stone to death, a young child for not following her father's wishes, wonder what they do to a person that really does something bad?

How much worse can the punishment be than to have your head bashed in by 100 men?


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NickD on Thu May 17, 2007 7:05 PM User is offline

The culprit:



Deonte Edward Bradley, 22 of Detroit, 5' 9" slender built, if he pounded on me, probably wouldn't notice it.

The victim:



Also a black man, but my God, he is 91 years old?

Wonder what those 100 stoners did have they murdered that poor young girl? Did they have a beer party? Any remorse?

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