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27 Reasons To Kill The Bill Now!!!!!!!!!

TRB on Fri June 01, 2007 6:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

1. Security doesn’t come first in this bill. This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens that are currently in the country. The only way Congress will actually see to it that the border security and enforcement provisions in the bill will be implemented is if they have to do them before they even consider an amnesty for the people who are here.

2. Illegal aliens won’t have to pay back taxes — where do we get the same deal? The whole idea that illegal aliens shouldn’t have to pay the taxes they already owe for working in the United States is utterly and completely offensive because it actually gives them a privilege that American citizens aren’t getting: forgiveness for taxes owed to the IRS.

3. If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing.

4. This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here. Under this bill, illegal aliens will immediately be eligible for a “Z Visa” which allows them to work, go to school, and — this is important — stay here for the rest of their lives if they so choose because there is no limit on the number of times it can be renewed.

5. The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether an applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone is a terrorist or a criminal.

6. In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a “renunciation of gang affiliation.”

7. Gang-bangers and other criminals, who have been ordered to leave the United States by an immigration judge but defy the ruling, are called absconders. Section 601(d)(1)(I) permits U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to grant an absconder a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States “would result in extreme hardship” to the alien, his spouse, parent or child.

8. The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the amnesty.

9. If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (in other words, just about any illegal alien), they can’t detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa.

Rather than initiating removal proceedings, ICE will be initiating amnesty applications. It’s like turning the Drug Enforcement Agency into a needle-distribution network.

10. To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 of this year. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do.

Expect a mass influx unlike anything this country has seen before, once the 12-month period for accepting Z visa applications begins. These rules are an open invitation to sneak in and present a fraudulent piece of paper indicating that you were already here.

11. As promised, the bill will legalize most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country via a new “Z visa.” Each would pay $5,000 - only slightly more than the going rate to be smuggled into America. This is not up front. They will have eight years to pay it back.

12. Supporters of the bill call the Z visa “temporary” - neglecting to mention that it can be renewed indefinitely until the visa holder dies. Thus, we have the country’s first permanent temporary visa. On top of that, it’s a super-visa - allowing the holder to work, attend college or do just about anything else.

Are you a law-abiding alien who’s interested in switching to this privileged status? Sorry. Only illegal aliens can qualify.

13. The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade by granting green cards to all the remote relatives who are in the chain migration categories, a number estimated at 750,000 to 900,000 a year. That is triple the current number of 250,000. Giving green cards to millions of additional relatives ensures that legal immigration will continue to grow as this larger pool of permanent residents brings in spouses.

14. The bill claims that bench marks must be met before amnesty/guest-worker provisions go into effect. But the bench marks fail to require that the U.S.-Mexico border be closed, fail to require that the border fence be completed as mandated by Congress in October and fail to require that the Department of Homeland Security implement the entry-exit visa system so Americans can know if visitors and guest workers actually leave.

The border security part of the bill calls for a 370-mile-long fence on the U.S./Mexico border. That is only half as long as the 700-mile-long fence ordered by the Secure Fence Act passed overwhelmingly by Congress and ostentatiously signed by the president in front of TV cameras just before the November 2006 election.

15. Another bench mark is that “tools” will be provided to prevent illegal immigrants from getting jobs, including requirements for identification standards and an employee verification system. But the bill lacks a requirement that anybody actually use the tools.

16. The costs of the Senate immigration bill are mind-boggling. Unbelievably, the Senate has made no attempt to estimate this costs or how to how to pay them. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector puts a potential price tag on this bill of $2.5 trillion, which is five times the cost of the Iraq war.

17. At least 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school diploma, which means they will work low-wage jobs, pay little or no income tax, and be heavy users of our schools and means-tested social benefits such as Medicaid, school lunches, Women, Infants and Children Program, subsidized housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and free legal counsel.

18. Fiscal costs would go up dramatically after amnesty recipients reach retirement. Each elderly low-skill immigrant imposes a net cost - that is benefits minus taxes - on U.S. taxpayers of about $17,000 per year, according to the Heritage Foundation. These costs would hit Social Security and Medicare at the very time Social Security is expected to go into crisis.

19. Section 413 calls on Congress to “accelerate the implementation” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership - announced by Bush in Waco, Texas, in 2005 - so that the United States can “improve the standard of living in Mexico.” Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving poverty problems in Mexico?

20. The Senate immigration bill states that the United States want to increase access to credit for “poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” and expand efforts “to reduce the transaction costs of remittance flows” from the U.S. to Mexico now running at $23 billion a year. That is money made in the US but transferred out of our economy.

21. The Senate bill also puts the United States into a “partnership” with Mexico for “increasing health care access for poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” for “assisting Mexico in increasing its emergency and trauma health care facilities,” and for “expanding prenatal care” in the border region. Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving problems in Mexico?

22. The Senate bill authorizes 4,000 new Border Patrol agents, but doesn’t require that they be trained or deployed.

23. Illegal Aliens will receive instate tuition. Illegal aliens would receive a taxpayer subsidy worth tens of thousands of dollars and would be treated better than U.S. citizens from out of state, who must pay three to four times as much to attend college. In an era of limited educational resources and rising tuitions, U.S. citizens, not aliens openly violating federal law, should be first in line to receive education subsidies.

24.Health standards ignored – Z-Visa holders are not required to be given medical examinations and immunizations. Z-Visa applicants and permenant residents are two peas off the same pod. Both can live in the USA as long as they want. Permenant residents are required to be given a medical examination and immunized but Z-Visa holders are not. All aliens, including Z-Visa holders should be required to be given medical examinations and immunized. They are living and breathing in our country just as permanent residents. The health and safety issues are one and the same. TB or Leprosy anyone?

25.“There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation.” Dual citizenship, naturalized Americans voting here and overseas, non-English classrooms and multilingual ballots all thrive, despite the bill’s “comprehensive” scope. “Assimilation” appears only once in this legislation.

26. The amnestee doesn’t have to know squat in English to get probationary status or a Z visa. After four years when seeking to renew the Z visa the first time, he only has to take — not pass, just take — the naturalization language test or be on a waiting list for English classes. “Learn English” only happens after eight years, and then it’s not actual mastery of the language.

27. As stated above in #13 “The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade….” Yet, when asked in a Gallup poll what level of immigration do Americans want, overwhelmingly they say less (46%) or same (34%). While only 16% want more. The US Census Bureau in 1999 projected The USA’s population will double in less then 100 years from 300 million to 600 million. The majority of that increase will be from legal immigration, illegal immigration, plus both their descendants. This is completely against what the American people want. When do we start double decking our freeways Mr. President?



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NickD on Mon June 18, 2007 4:58 PM User is offline


Congress is still playing with it and probable will be voted down again, shame our forefathers permitted slavery in this country, that brought in many illegal immigrants. But even at that, we have more immigration laws than you can shake a stick at and like any other government agency, so complex and confusing, have to hire a top notch immigration attorney to help you make any sense out of it. Even at that, the wait is inhumane, running nine months behind now on applications, thought passports were bad. USCIS has increased the rates by a factor of four to promise a 20% reduction in waiting time. This is the legal way.

This bit about illegals doing jobs that Americans don't want is pure BS, a far more accurate statement is that rich corporations are firing Americans with decent wages and replacing them with illegals at minimum or below. Much like our forefathers that were very wealthy men that could afford slaves, now have the rich dictating how illegals should be handled. The middleclass is paying the price for this one. Especially in the trades.

We have all the laws we need now for immigration, just lacking enforcement is the only problem and that is not be addressed. One law that does need looking at is that a child born here should have at least one parent with US citizenship, more like both in my opinion before that child is considered an American citizen by birth. Know of cases where a couple of unmarried illegals come here, girl has a baby, and that baby is fully qualified for Medicaid benefits at our expense, and in some cases, the father was deported leaving the woman alone to support that baby, they won't deport her, but she goes on welfare instead with more expense to us, plus gets free healthcare, also at our expense.

Corporations love illegals, if they get hurt on the job, just can them, no workmans compensation to pay, no insurance claims or even the chance of being sued by an illegal. Know of illegals that are permanently crippled from the job and lack of safety standards. No wonder why they want illegals working here, can make a lot more profit, not paying a dime for it, that is left up to the middleclass to pay for it.

NickD on Tue June 19, 2007 9:03 AM User is offline

Must need a hearing aid, had the news on this morning and can't believe what I heard. Bush is actually asking the illegal Latino leaders if it's okay to build a fence between Mexico and the USA? Should make the legalizing of illegal aliens easier to pass in congress.

Also heard the new congress is almost as unpopular as Bush, within 3 percentage points. Thought occurred to me, they really aren't there to win a popularity contest, but there to pay back the special interest groups that got them into office. Could be wrong on this, but always hearing about election reform, that can only be done by the congress that was put there by special interest. How can election reform occur when they like the system like it is?

TRB on Tue June 19, 2007 10:53 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: NickD
This bit about illegals doing jobs that Americans don't want is pure BS, a far more accurate statement is that rich corporations are firing Americans with decent wages and replacing them with illegals at minimum or below. Much like our forefathers that were very wealthy men that could afford slaves, now have the rich dictating how illegals should be handled. The middleclass is paying the price for this one. Especially in the trades.


While I agree I also do not agree with this comment. Construction is one of the biggest abusers of illegals workers. There are many small to medium companies hiring illegals to lower cost. Middle America is always the one that takes in the ass. They truly are what supports America.


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meaux on Tue June 19, 2007 2:39 PM User is offlineView users profile

Speakin' of JOBS Americans won't do... It's a shame we can't get Illegals in Washington to do those JOBs...
The tune in DC and with the Media, would be a whole lot different, if their Jobs were being threatened...

If I was Fred Thompson, Illegal Immigration would be the first thing I'd be hammering on... and I wouldn't quit...

Would somebody tell John McCain "It's OVER"...

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Edited: Tue June 19, 2007 at 2:40 PM by meaux

TRB on Tue June 19, 2007 2:50 PM User is offlineView users profile

Fred is my man. I just hope he really runs or quits talking about it.

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meaux on Tue June 19, 2007 3:50 PM User is offlineView users profile

I think he will... I'm glad he's takin' his time about it...

This whole thing (campain) started way too early for my tastes...

If all the Dems have is Osama and the Hildabeast, a Fred/Rudy ticket would kill em'...

I'm really impressed with Congress's approval ratings lately... What a bunch of slugs...

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NickD on Wed June 20, 2007 8:08 AM User is offline

Fred Thompson on Immigration
Click here for 3 full quotes on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

* Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
* Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Also voting for more trade with China and Viet Nam, I don't like that. Has a bug against same sex marriages, typical of the bible belt. ha, could screw girls in TN, just couldn't dance with them, least not in public. If a couple wants to become liable for each other bills, let them. Not like I want to marry my buddy, just do not feel it's the governments business to dictate what they consider moral laws. They should just collect taxes and leave it at that.

I do like our Sen. Russell Feingold, got there by walking the state not taking a dime from special interest, but can't run because his wife is divorcing him, guess he is spending too much time reading the Patriot Act and not giving her much attention. What this country wants in office is a happily married couple like Bill and Hilary, if she gets elected, goodbye America. That leaves Ron Paul as the only guy with common sense, he is my man, but this country will never vote for anyone with common sense.

TRB on Fri June 22, 2007 10:51 AM User is offlineView users profile

* Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
* Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

I have nothing against any of these votes.

What's wrong with allowing foreign workers into this country legally?
What's wrong with having "skilled" labor in this country legally?
I have nothing against supporting someone that needs it and does not abuse the system.

What do we have now.

Foreign workers flooding the border to collect unlimited welfare. Increase crime rates, willing to bring their 3 world standards without attempting to assimilate in the US population. As far as I am concerned there should never be an option to press two for english!

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NickD on Mon June 25, 2007 11:03 AM User is offline

Yeah, a very small part regarding legal entries into this country, "H" visa's for highly skilled workers is limited to 30,000 per year and these are limited visa's, and if a guy does quit, has to go home. 50,000 per year is all that is permitted for legal permanent residence and this is done on a lottery basis.

With these limitations and since I already met my wife, were in contact with frequent visits for almost two years and we wanted to get married, the question arose, how is this even possible? She was working for an American firm, highly educated that had people moving back and forth so asked her to get the details on this. They were working with a large American Immigration Attorney firm, I contacted them. Were great people to work with, already had lots of bad experiences with attorney's in general, but learned all we had to do was to have her and her daughter come here on a tourist visa, get married and they would handle the rest. Just to be sure, I got the procedure and verified it with the USCIS. We spend our honeymoon with lots of immigration forms, a big hang up was finding a USCIS medical doctor to fill out that form.

That seemed crazy to me, because even if a person had HIV, would not be rejected from coming here, but had to agree for counseling. Practically all the approved doctors I found were booked solid, but did find one in a small town with a 500 mile round trip drive, but took three trips to get everything done. We had the I-94 visa as a limit, but already had the extension papers filled out, just in case. We got the papers filed in time.

Apparently this marriage means of getting immigrants into this country must be some kind of a scheme. Stiff penalties for doing so, five years in prison plus a $250,000.00 fine. Not exactly sure how a guy could make a business out of this, would have to charge an immigrant at least a half a million bucks to make it worthwhile. And if an immigrant had that kind of cash, can easily come into this country by other means, money talks.

In my case had to prove I was legal with birth certificate, military, school, and work records, plus the number of times I was married and divorced. For both of us, lots of proof that we were indeed in love, proof of visits, love letters, photos, and signed notarized under penalty of law from friends and relatives. Mine was cheap as we have free notary service, since my wife was born in Colombia and lived in Venezuela all of her papers not only had to be translated into English, but they have an Apostille that costs us a hundred bucks per document, that added up in a big hurry. Just about the same for her daughter. We had a stack of documents over 2 inches high. After waiting for almost nine months, we were called in for a personal interview, were approved and for our efforts my wife and daughter received a temporary permanent resident card as we were not married quite two years yet. This was after a second trip to Milwaukee for biometrics.

Now we are in the stage of applying for a permanent permanent resident card for both and are going thought the same procedure again, both my wife's and daughter temporary residence cards are expired, but they received a one year extension. We were told to be prepared 90 days ahead before expiration as it may take this long for processing. It was 90 days exactly when I sent a stack of paperwork in, but this processing now is taking anywhere from 12 to 18 months. Others in our boat had to apply for a second one year extension. As of July 1st, the USCIS application fees are going to be increased by a factor of four with a promise that processing times may be cut by 20%.

My wife and daughter are soon eligible to file for US citizenship, in checking with our attorney, we can do so without receiving the permanent permanent resident card and in some cases, an immigrant already received US citizenship before receiving their permanent permanent residence card, go figure, it's a different section of the USCIS. Besides a ten page N-400 form with all the repeating documentation, the most difficult part for most is a test on their ability to read, write, speak, and listen to the English language. Sure my wife and daughter will fare well in this respect but wonder if this would be a requirement for the illegals. The other requirement is knowledge of US government where out of 100 questions, the interviewer will pick ten questions and the applicant has to answer at least six questions correctly. Ha, wonder how many Americans would pass that test. I knew most of the answers, but some require more memorization. Would this also be a requirement for the illegals. They have to take an oath, and surrender their passports, that will be another wait to get US passports.

To do this legally is a very time consuming and expensive proposition, I am saving a lot of money by doing lots of paperwork myself, but it is extremely time consuming, and one small error, the application will be rejected, you will lose your filing fees, and pushed to the rear of the line. If you are one minute late for a scheduled appointment, can be rejected even though you may have to wait four hours to be called in. That also puts you at the rear of the line.

We watch with interest how congress is going to treat the illegals here, and better estimates puts that number much closer to 20 million than the reported 12 million. And wonder if we can apply for a refund for all our fees. We also wonder how the USCIS is going to handle 20 million people when they can't even handle a tiny handful.

NickD on Mon July 02, 2007 8:31 AM User is offline

Well, Tim you probably heard the immigration bill was shut down and more than likely will not take up anymore time during the current administrations term.

Shortly after, the USCIS has stated that "other workers" visa's will no longer be available and all applications will be returned. The other workers include unskilled labor. Seems like illegal workers are being promoted in this country.

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