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FJRIVAS24 on Mon April 06, 2009 10:28 PM User is offlineView users profile

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TRB,

Early in 09' I noticed you had as your profile picture a 2008 Renault F1 car... I am a big F1 fan myself and when I saw your picture it kind of call my attention specially since F1 is not a big deal in the US...

Now I see you have a 2009 Renault F1 car as your profile picture... that can not be a coincidence, you are definitely into F1. I am a big BMW fan and I was really hoping for better performance in 09 and just like 99.9% of the people I was not expecting such a good performance from Brawn GP !!

How did you become a F1 fan living in the US?

Regards,

Francisco

TRB on Mon April 06, 2009 10:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

Simple, Ayrton Senna...

I'm more of a Ferrari die-hard but I want Alonso to kick some butt this year so I'm supporting Renault at this time. Brawn has to be given such praise taking the car from what Honda had last year to a winning car this year. I'm not a fan of ovals and have always been amazed at the tech involved in F1 and MotoGP. Nicky on a Ducati is going to be interesting!!!!

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NickD on Tue April 07, 2009 6:41 AM User is offline

Even when I got my first train set when a kid, it was boring is a simple circular track, needed some switches and a lot more track, but still ended up in a circle or a closed loop. Wasn't going anywhere except in circles, had the same problem when my mom nailed my left foot in the floor, just going around in circles.

But going around in circles is far more exciting that just a straight 1/4 mile track. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is still a circle but 2.605 miles long with a capacity of 265,000 people to watch cars go around in a circle, driver can go 5/8 of a mile, then make a left turn, four times, doesn't even need a car capable of making a full right turn. Then are these organizations have panels that tell you exactly how to make your car, NASCAR lets you use a body with a different name on it, but still the same car, so where is the innovation?

One bit of fun I use to have is getting the best time between point A and point B that included taking the best route using city, township, county, state, and federal laws and not getting caught. But that was getting too risky so settled for doing the same trip burning the least amount of gas.

But getting from point A to point B under various road conditions would still be the best and more exciting race and present the best challenge in designing the best car for all conditions. Not just driving in a circle or a straight line. The prime purpose of a vehicle to is to get you someplace, not just driving around in a circle.


Just my worthless opinion.

MikeH on Tue April 07, 2009 10:05 AM User is offline

Nick - "One bit of fun I use to have is getting the best time between point A and point B that included taking the best route using city, township, county, state, and federal laws and not getting caught. But that was getting too risky so settled for doing the same trip burning the least amount of gas."

When I was in my early 20's I did a lot ( I mean a LOT) of road rallying - sports car type with a driver and navigator. The fun of the races was to go from point to point attempting to keep a target MPH and retrieve objects from each point (check point). This type of racing, while not in an F1 (God, I wish), often proved very challenging because it was almost impossible to do without speeding at times, and, I like speed.

Dallas had Formula One for 2 years before is was canceled because of the "noise" pollution. Too bad, really. Brought in a lot of $$$.

HerkyJim on Tue April 07, 2009 10:09 AM User is offline

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Originally posted by: NickD
Even when I got my first train set when a kid, it was boring is a simple circular track, needed some switches and a lot more track, but still ended up in a circle or a closed loop. Wasn't going anywhere except in circles, had the same problem when my mom nailed my left foot in the floor, just going around in circles.



But going around in circles is far more exciting that just a straight 1/4 mile track. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is still a circle but 2.605 miles long with a capacity of 265,000 people to watch cars go around in a circle, driver can go 5/8 of a mile, then make a left turn, four times, doesn't even need a car capable of making a full right turn. Then are these organizations have panels that tell you exactly how to make your car, NASCAR lets you use a body with a different name on it, but still the same car, so where is the innovation?



One bit of fun I use to have is getting the best time between point A and point B that included taking the best route using city, township, county, state, and federal laws and not getting caught. But that was getting too risky so settled for doing the same trip burning the least amount of gas.



But getting from point A to point B under various road conditions would still be the best and more exciting race and present the best challenge in designing the best car for all conditions. Not just driving in a circle or a straight line. The prime purpose of a vehicle to is to get you someplace, not just driving around in a circle.





Just my worthless opinion.

Ya miss the point, dude: its about personalities! Some might even call it hero worship. A few years back when one of the "stock car" racers, a certain Mr. Earnhardt died in a crash, it received a lot of publicity in the media. You'd have thought that it was the worst tragedy in the world.

Back when I was a kid in Fresno, we had local racing every weekend. One night you could watch the "hardtops" at Kearney Bowl right on the edge of the city. Big rivalry between local guy Al Pombo in his flathead Ford powered machine, and Marshall Sargent from the big city of San Jose and his small block Chevy powered machine. Back then, the flathead had been developed for years and the Chevy engine was relatively newer and biggest factory option was 327. The flathead was more than competitive.

Down the highway 15 miles or so was Selma Speedway with motorcycle racing 40 cubic inch Triumphs dominated this event. Riders form all over Calif. You were right up close. the stands were right next to the track along the straightaway. My buddy worked at the local Triumph shop which sponsored one of the top riders. The bikes weren't much different from one you could buy new for $1,200. I watched them being put together, repaired and tuned. You could relate to it.

Compare that with watching big time motor racing on TV nowadays. About as interesting as watching paint dry.

Local guy in Fresno wanted to build a new speedway on his property near Fresno while back. The NIMBYs squashed that right away...

NickD on Wed April 08, 2009 6:15 AM User is offline

Racing did serve a purpose when it first started, to make vehicles more reliable, efficient, and safe, better handling, cornering, more powerful, faster, etc. But with all the rules and regulations today, all of that innovation is out, it is just personalities that doesn't do any good for the general public. Unless it makes you feel good to where a t-shirt with some guys face painted on it.

TRB on Wed April 08, 2009 9:34 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Racing did serve a purpose when it first started, to make vehicles more reliable, efficient, and safe, better handling, cornering, more powerful, faster, etc. But with all the rules and regulations today, all of that innovation is out, it is just personalities that doesn't do any good for the general public. Unless it makes you feel good to where a t-shirt with some guys face painted on it.

Not so, F1 has introduced "KERS" this year. F1 is still a leading edge on tech when it comes to racing and what might be seem in the future auto.



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NickD on Wed April 08, 2009 11:45 AM User is offline

Ha, really have to be specific that contradicts my tendency to write long books, Formula One is cool, but we were talking about driving around in circles and if your compression ratio is 0.0001% higher than specifications, you will be disqualified, stuff like that.

But in real life, 55 means 55, and that is a drag when you have several hundred miles to go, so maybe it's fun for people to watch cars go faster than 55. Ha, according to Popular Mechanics or Science, we should be driving at 300+mph today.

TRB on Wed April 08, 2009 11:55 AM User is offlineView users profile

KERS is not about wind resistance. But yes all forms of racing have rules which are supposed to be followed to level the playing field.

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NickD on Thu April 09, 2009 7:08 AM User is offline

Would be interesting if say the Indy 500 winner would get the best fuel economy in that race, but still would have to run it in 2.5 hours. Also have to admit with like NASCAR, those rules are carried out to the nth degree.

Aviation is yet another form of high speed development that also is interesting, and without those restrictions.

HECAT on Thu April 09, 2009 4:15 PM User is offline

Well it is all in one's perspective. I personally love racing and I don't care if it is F1 or lawnmowers; racin' is racin'. From the drivers seat point of view (stock car and drag car racing for over 25 years), it does not matter if all the equipment is identical by the rules, it just equalizes the equipment variable; and puts all the outcome in the hands of the skill of the driver (anyone remember IROC?). But has all the innovation really been stifled? NASCAR crew chiefs are regularly being penalized for cheating, isn't this pushing the limits of the rules, a.k.a. innovation. I was a local outlaw dirt late model track champion many years ago. New rules were being made every season to try and equalize what we were doing. Play within the rules, push the limits of the rules, and don't get caught. If the track is junk, cannot complain, just adapt; it's the same track everyone else has to deal with. No new technology coming from racing? What about ABS, regen braking, heads up displays, run flat tires, paddle shifters, larger wheels, low profile tires, headlamp wipers , etc.? When an entire field of 43 NASCAR stock cars qualifies within a tenth of a second, there is going to be a race, not just one or two cars that will lap the field again and again in a 500 mile race like the old days. When the Bracket racers show up at the drag strip and are equalized by their "dial in" times; the racing becomes very mental, and requires consistency down to the 100th of a second. If this is boring to watch, get in the seat and try it; you would gain a whole new perspective.

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NickD on Thu April 09, 2009 8:22 PM User is offline

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If this is boring to watch, get in the seat and try it; you would gain a whole new perspective.

LOL Would that be tantamount to watching a guy eating a steak as opposed to you eating it yourself?

TRB on Thu April 09, 2009 9:40 PM User is offlineView users profile

Hecat If I had a chance to get behind the wheel of an F1 car I would be ready for heaven after the drive. As for going straight, not for me, but I'll watch it if the option is NHRA or Oprah!

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HECAT on Fri April 10, 2009 6:48 AM User is offline

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LOL Would that be tantamount to watching a guy eating a steak as opposed to you eating it yourself?

Agreed.



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HECAT on Fri April 10, 2009 6:57 AM User is offline

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Hecat If I had a chance to get behind the wheel of an F1 car I would be ready for heaven after the drive. As for going straight, not for me, but I'll watch it if the option is NHRA or Oprah!

After having a chance to drive a Formula Ford open wheel car years ago, I don't think we could handle an F1, but it would be so much fun to try. Can you set something up for us?

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NickD on Fri April 10, 2009 7:25 AM User is offline

Headlines in the paper last night was about a DNR agent getting killed in a twin Cessna, flying over a grass fire just ten miles south of our town. And they don't know why, witness reported he was flying only about 100 feet above the ground doing steep turns circling that small fire when suddenly his plane dropped out of the sky. Said he was an experienced commercially rated pilot.

My first impression was, is this guy blind, having to fly that close to the ground to see a fire, lucky he didn't kill the firefighters on the ground, and the report said the fire wasn't that large. Second thought, didn't this guy know about the doubled gyroscopic effect of a twin with two engines rotating in the same CCW direction? He was an idiot, but these stories always make headline news.

Sure that gyroscopic effect would be in a Formula One as well, I sure had it in my 13,000 rpm motorcylce so had to watch it especially on tight turns.

bohica2xo on Mon April 27, 2009 6:01 PM User is offline

Hey Tim!

Have some recent F1 news for ya here:



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TRB on Mon April 27, 2009 6:21 PM User is offlineView users profile

Funny, but with only 2 or 3 stops per race and Ferrari being 50 seconds behind the leaders these days. Those 10 seconds saved really don't add up to much!

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