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TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 4:45 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Here is a shot of my backyard with the new fence. The winter rye was planted three weeks ago and still has a couple areas that needs work. In the background you can see it's another sunny Arizona day.




Second shot is the front of the hosue with the red/white/blue standing tall!!!! Off to Home Depot for some Petunia as they came in real nice last year.





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Karl Hofmann on Sat November 15, 2003 5:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

Dont tell us that you've only just finished that fence Tim!!! My wife grumbled at me when it took me three weeks to rebuild the bathroom. When I get up in the night I still find myself stepping over that hole that was in the floor boards. After eight years in the house this will be the first Winter with a heating system, I must be going soft in my old age. Thats a nice bungalow you have there.. erm you dont bugle that flag up at 6am every morning do you??

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TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 6:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

This is the house I grew up in or am still growing up in!!! Fence took us three Saturday's and than I had a sprinkler system put in. Wanted to do the sprinkler myself but need to get the winter rye seed down so I had someone else install it.

Heck I'm half way to work by 6:00am!!! Work is 12 miles from my house all the way across the Phoenix metro area, 45 minute trip each way.

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MrBillPro on Sat November 15, 2003 7:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

Really nice place and nice fence Tim! About the only carpentry I know how to do is build a sand box. I have most all the wood working tools, but I'm guessing a person has to have the desire, I wished I could develop that desire but at 52 I am wondering if that's possible. I would have really loved to purchase the home I grew up in there is some old friends parents still alive and still living in the old neighborhood but my parents divorced when I was 17 I was not in the position financially or mentally "Girls and Cars were the most important at that time" not necessary in that order, but life has worked out pretty good so for heck I am still breathing, anyway take care have a great weekend and you should be proud of that fence it's looks really nice.

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TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 8:15 PM User is offlineView users profile

Thanks, here is a better look at the fence. I bought the sections from Lowe's. First I was picking the sections up myself. I could get 5 at a time in my truck. I said the heck with that and had Lowes deliver the last 25 sections. Between the 3 different Lowe's they had three different sizes. so it was a chore getting the lattice to look correct and straight with the sections that were already up. This is an old house so there is always something to do! I enjoy spending the effort as I have been burned by contractors in the past. Hell I could be down at the pub but that got old after 20 years! Well that and the diabetes does not like the alcohol!



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Mitch on Sat November 15, 2003 8:51 PM User is offline

It really looks good.

A big improvement over the standard redwood or cedar board fences that are all over SoCal.

Did you stain it or did it come that way?

In July, I went by the house I grew up in and a lot of the same stuff was still there from the 50s, like the flagpole, the flagstone patio, and the outdoor fireplace/barbeque with a marble pad in front of it that was salvaged from an old soda fountain store. I was a helper on those projects. That piece of marble from the store counter hung out the back of our 55 Chevy quite a bit and weighed it down too. Can't remember how we got it out of the car and into the yard.

Edited: Sat November 15, 2003 at 8:57 PM by Mitch

TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 9:18 PM User is offlineView users profile

I used a bug/weed sprayer with Olympic Redwood Stain protector. I put three coats on which ended up being close to 40 gallons. With the protector which last five years I can just re-spray when needed. With the Thomson Water Sealer you have to sand the old sealer off before applying the new coat.

A few years ago I added an additional three feet to the walk way in the back. Mom had poured a 3 x 3 slab when I was 1 which she made impressions of my hand and foot along with my sister. I pulled it up and gave it to her to keep. Always laughed when I would walk by and think darn I was little once!!!

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Chick on Sat November 15, 2003 10:16 PM User is offlineView users profile

I'd send you a pic of my fence...But I think the snow will hide it soon.... Dam Arizonians...

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NickD on Sat November 15, 2003 10:20 PM User is offline

So did you do it all by yourself? No help at all? You have a nice flat yard, and the fence line looks straight. You choose a style that looks good on both sides, so that should make your neighbors happy. I have also been thinking about a fence, more so in the winter than in the summer, as during the summer season the woods are so thick, can't see the neighbors anyway. Dok had to learn where the property lines were, but he stills likes to test me by putting his paw across the line.

When I lived out in the country, the standard was a four wire barbed wire fence, cheap, so that is what I put up, and just let the stuff grow to hide it. It was over 300' from the house and the kids had to learn not to lean against it.

When I lived in the Chicago area, I wheeled and dealed with my three neighbors and got all three to agree on putting up a fence on the property line and going 50-50 on the price so just hired a professional to put it in, was nice having the benefit of a 6' high fence and only paying for half of it. Did you get your neighbors to pay for half of yours? Ha, put up a one way mirror fence so you get the privacy and they don't, LOL.

The shepherd I had at the time, Erik, didn't let that 6' fence slow him down for an instant, that dog could jump over that fence in an instant. Never seen a dog like that before or since. I had a different shepherd before him and put up a 4' chain link fence where that dog could leap that fence, so figured a 6' fence would stop the next dog I had. Should have put up an 8' fence.

Four of the airports are preparing for this new charter jet service and are all putting up an 8' chain link fence with 2' of barbed wire on top of that faced to the outside, one airport requires 8 miles of fencing, not sure if this is 9-11 or what, but the days of open fields is getting to be history with just keep out sign. Remember my military days with those tall fences topped with barbed wire, on all the bases I have been at, the barbed wire was facing in that never made sense. Not trying to keep the Soviet spys out as much as keeping us locked in.

TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 11:10 PM User is offlineView users profile

A friend and I did it over a few Saturday's. I started it myself and found it helps to have that second pair of hands. I also did not like having the back of the house open to the world even though I live in a pretty safe area. We dug up the old posts and then ran a string. Measure 8 foot from post to post and cement the post. After a few hours the post is set enough to attach the sections. If the post is higher than the fence which most were! I took a reciprocating saw to cut them level. One side of the yard the neighbor did not want her fence removed so I had to apply the protector before installing the sections. I was going to go with block but am very happy I did not when it was all finished.

Home Depot did not carry the Lattice fence sections so I purchased mine at Lowe's. Problem with the one's I got were they came in 3 sizes. One would have a longer lattice than the other's. The other would have the same lattice but a shorter redwood section. So that is what I would watch out for if anyone takes on a project with the Lowes product.

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TRB on Sat November 15, 2003 11:26 PM User is offlineView users profile

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I'd send you a pic of my fence...But I think the snow will hide it soon.... Dam Arizonians...

I told you before you can put a tent up anywhere in the back you want. Just leave those darn penguins in New Jersey!!!



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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 16, 2003 6:32 AM User is offlineView users profile

I treated our fence panels with creosote using a sprayer. I bought out the shop when I found some as creosote has now been banned over here. The smell is a bit heavy for a few weeks but there is nothing like the faint waft of a creosoted fence on a summers day (OK so I'm wierd)

I cheated and had the guys who blockpaved my driveway put up the fence as the hedge that it replaced was as old as the house and was as tough as old boots to pull up by hand but their Bobcat made short work of it. The biggest job was feeding the hedge in to the mulching machine to be spread on to the garden to keep the weeds down

Tim, are those lattice sections on top part of the main fence panel or are they separate?

LOL I gave up early mornings quite a while ago, now the phone does not get switched on untill 7-30. I toyed with the idea of providing a 24 hour gas emergency service but decided that GENUINE emergencies would be few and far between and the majority of calls would be a waste of time.

It seems that many houses in the US have a flagpole, this is pretty rare over here, perhaps because planning permission is required to put one up. I suspect that if there were more most would fly the colours of the owners favorite football team!!

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Edited: Sun November 16, 2003 at 6:47 AM by Karl Hofmann

TRB on Sun November 16, 2003 8:17 PM User is offlineView users profile

The lattice sections are part of the overall fence but removing the top 2x2x8 allows for sections to be replaced or repaired. One reason I have never moved is I do not have a home owners association. Most of the home owners on our street take pretty good care of their homes. Plus the city of Scottsdale has laws on vehicles in the street. Vehicles not moved after 72 hours have to be covered even if they are in the carport. They also write fines for homeowners not taking care of their property.

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NickD on Mon November 17, 2003 8:11 AM User is offline

I see you are breaking some local ordinances in the many neighborhoods I looked at homes, you are not allowed to leave your main garage door opened and not permitted to put up a fence. I have been in some neighborhoods where you are only permitted to have one cat and it must be kept on a leash, no dogs allowed. Not talking about a rented apartment where they have rules galore, but some very expensive homes that you pay high real estate taxes on.

Always a debate where some repair on your "own" home requires a building permit, like replacing siding or a worn out roof, you are suppose to have a building permit if you add an outlet. They use safety as an issue even though the electrical inspector can't tell a light bulb from a circuit breaker, the big deal is to get that information over to the tax assessors office. Any energy improvements to your home require a building permit, so the few cents you save on your gas bill is paid twice back in taxes.

One guy in my neighborhood wanted sidewalks put in because he had problems mowing his ditch, they would mean cutting down thousands of trees and making a wooded section in town look like a barren city street, plus there is a $50.00 fine if you don't shovel off the city owned sidewalks within a 24 hour period of snow storm, not that anyone even uses the sidewalks where they are in town. If the frost shifts a sidewalk on the city owned right of way, the home owner has to pay to get that corrected.

Ha, I drove in a out of the way subdivision with 2 acre lots, and was told, I am welcomed to buy a home, but my motorhome has to go, I kept on driving. My daughter purchased a home in a subdivision and learned she wasn't even permitted to put up a small picket fence so her two year old wouldn't wonder off in the street playing in her own back yard, she is selling now, some ordinances are next to ridiculous.

Ha, our new recycling ordinance is backfiring, now they are charging a buck to take a two buck oil filter not to mention 25 bucks to get rid of an old monitor. Now the back roads of Wisconsin are getting loaded with microwaves, tires, washers, and dryers, hot water tanks, and all kinds of junk that people don't want to pay a fortune for to legally get rid of. A spokesperson for the Wisconsin recycling board could only talk about newspapers and glass bottles, she would not address the enormous charge the cities are charging for taking old appliances.

The real crime lies with the corporations charging positively ridiculous parts costs and forcing us to buy goods in throwaway bottles, but just like in the AC world, only the repair tech gets hit for protecting the environment.

TRB on Mon November 17, 2003 10:03 AM User is offlineView users profile

Well I do not live in those areas so I am not breaking any laws!

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Edited: Mon November 17, 2003 at 10:04 AM by TRB

NickD on Mon November 17, 2003 10:23 AM User is offline

Can you find a nice set of tires driving on the back roads? Or maybe even a good motor for your washing machine, LOL.

There is a certain degree of freedom in living in an old farm house on 40 acres and driving an old Ford pickup truck. You can burn your leaves, leave your garage door open, park an RV, and even shoot squirrels and rabbits legally in your back yard. Ha, if your place looks bad enough, you won't even need a fence.

That power pole in your back yard looks very tempting, can I bring my chain saw over?

Edited: Mon November 17, 2003 at 10:25 AM by NickD

TRB on Mon November 17, 2003 10:37 AM User is offlineView users profile

My house was built before the law was passed that all utility lines have to be underground. Besides utilities they are a great spot for the birds to sit and drop their business on my new fence!!!!!! Where is my Dasiy one pump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Karl Hofmann on Mon November 17, 2003 4:47 PM User is offlineView users profile

LOL The incentive to close your garage door over here is that if you don't then your lawn mower will be swiped! You guys do have some pretty tough laws over there, though the thought of my neighbour having to keep his cats on a lead does appeal to me, we can't always guarantee that the psychotic squirrel that lives in my walnut tree is in a fighting mood.

I've been putting it off for a while, but shortly I will have to deal with the Crewe and Nantwich borough planning department over the construction of my Conservatory, not normally a problem if it has a triwall polycarbonate roof, but the rules change if you want a proper tile or slate roof with insulation.

A little while back we did look at moving, but the price of houses here is through the roof £350000-£400000 buys you a newbuild timber frame shoebox with four small bedrooms and a double garage not big enough to park two cars.

Nick, you wouldn't be welcome parking your motorhome next to me either. The cost of recycling is included in our "Council Tax" payment so getting rid of domestic waste is never a problem. Trade waste is not a problem for me either as a degree of my waste is copper and lead so the guys at the tip turn a blind eye.

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Edited: Mon November 17, 2003 at 4:47 PM by Karl Hofmann

NickD on Tue November 18, 2003 12:30 AM User is offline

Gee Karl, I forgot to mention that if you lived in Chicago, you are not allowed to own a gun. I was just hitting on the various local ordnances that I ran into looking for a place to live. When I build my home in the country, they didn't even have a building code nor an inspector and I didn't even need a building permit. I build my home to the Chicago area code anyway, a neighbor put up a new home at the same time and had the Co-op install an LP tank to his furnace, they just ran copper tubing on the basement floor for a bit, than midway across the basement to his furnace. You had to duck under it to get to the other side. That was a bit sloppy for my taste, I ran black pipe throughout my home and installed it neatly.

I don't own a motor home anymore, but had one when I moved here, and I can leave my garage door opened if I want to, and do many times when I am working on a vehicle. I change my oil in my driveway plus flush my cooling system, and I don't leash Dok to take him outside. We have a limit on two dogs here, but I had as many as six grown dogs with pups. Just required permission from the city health inspector that was a neighbor doctor to me. I am not allowed to fire my guns in my yard, but I can use a bow and arrow. I don't have city sidewalks so don't have to shovel them, but have to keep my weeds less than six inches tall, but once in awhile will let one or two grow in the back just to be a mild rebel.

I could never live in an area with strict ordinances, pretty bad in the Boston historical area, you have to attend many meetings so they can tell you what color you may paint your front door. If they let you paint it at all.

Karl Hofmann on Tue November 18, 2003 4:22 AM User is offlineView users profile

LOL. At the risk of upsetting some of you guys a ban on guns is no bad thing! If they are easy to hand then they are easy to use.

Fortunatly the majority of our regulations concern them selves with safety and that LPG furnace is a real no no. I take it that by "Black pipe" you refer to steel pipe, steel pipe has been phased out for use in domestic situations in favour of soldered copper. That pipe would not be allowed to run accross the floor unless it was protected, and LPG in a room with no ground level ventilation would not be permitted. On the up side I could paint my front door any colour that I wish provided that my house is not a listed building though I would not thank my neighbour for painting his house in a tasteless colour and so I would not do so either.

One of the new housing developments round here has a list of restrictions, like not hanging out washing, no tradesmens vans to be parked and only being allowed to mow your lawn on certain days and the idiots who bought them with the intention of making a killing when they sold them cant get rid of them.

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Edited: Tue November 18, 2003 at 4:50 AM by Karl Hofmann

NickD on Tue November 18, 2003 8:26 AM User is offline

LOL, thanks to King George, we have the right to bear arms in our constitution, but that constitution is over ridden in many states and local communities now along with the right to hang up your clothes to dry or cutting your grass went it's cool in the morning or in the evening.

Is your ruling just limited to gas type mowers? What about an electric mower, they are much quieter, can you cheat and cut your grass with a pair of scissors? LOL. I see the old reel type mowers are coming back, no cords to tangle, batteries to corrode, and no noxious fumes and noise from gas type mowers. I used one of those for years and don't recall those being that bad. Instant start up and some even had a grass catcher attachment, and quiet, but they are not $10.00 anymore to buy. But many people have to buy a large riding mower even with a small lawn but get their exercise by buying infomercial type exercising equipment. Gosh, some of those mowers sell more than what a brand new car sold for a few years back.

The second home I purchased was built on a farm field my uncle use to farm and could cultivate five acres an hour. When I was there, my neighbors and I were on our hands and knees pulling dandelions and doing lots of hand trimming, and that's progress.

Ha, King George better think twice about invading my neck of the woods, he will meet stiff opposition, but he won't have any problems in NYC.

Chick on Tue November 18, 2003 10:30 AM User is offlineView users profile

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My house was built before the law was passed that all utility lines have to be underground. Besides utilities they are a great spot for the birds to sit and drop their business on my new fence!!!!!! Where is my Dasiy one pump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Careful, you'll poke you eye with that....

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NickD on Tue November 18, 2003 10:55 AM User is offline

Penguins don't care where they excrement either, like other birds, when they have to go, they go. I only been hit once while riding my bike, but they love bombing runs when you are driving a car. Sometimes a convertible is not the best vehicle to own.

Ted2 on Tue November 18, 2003 4:28 PM User is offlineView users profile

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At the risk of upsetting some of you guys a ban on guns is no bad thing! If they are easy to hand then they are easy to use.
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Not necessarily a good thing either. In a major nearby city, we recently had two incidents where homeowners were forced to defend their homes and loved ones by shooting and killing intruders. Crime has become so prevalent that people are sleeping with loaded guns beside their beds. The police can't protect them, so they are forced to protect themselves.

If guns are banned, how will people defend themselves against criminals who will not abide by the ban? A disarmed people are at the mercy of those with guns.

And to say that a gun causes crime is like saying saws and hammers cause houses. There is no magical quality of an inanimate object that can overpower the human will.

Oh, and by the way Karl, I am not upset. Just stating my beliefs.

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Bigchris on Tue November 18, 2003 7:54 PM User is offline

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Penguins don't care where they excrement either, like other birds, when they have to go, they go. I only been hit once while riding my bike, but they love bombing runs when you are driving a car. Sometimes a convertible is not the best vehicle to own.
Do the penguins in Milwaukee fly or do they lob their turds through the air? I can't imagine having the difficulties you just described unless I was wearing some kind of penguin poop attractant!?!

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